Baptism of babies & infants

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“And first baptize the little ones; and if they can speak for themselves, they shall do so; if not, their parents or other relatives shall speak for them.”
**Hippolytus’ (170-236 A.D.) **
 
No were in the Bible does it say to baptize a baby or infant. When Jesus was born he was not baptized as a infant or baby or even as a todler. Jesus was presented to God, not baptized.{Luke 2:22 “Then it was time for the purification offering, as required by the law of Moses after the birth of a child: so his parents took him to Jerusalem to PRESENT him to the Lord.”} Jesus was 30 years old when he went to John the baptist to be baptized.
Definition: Immersion, submersion.{Romans 6:1-4} Water baptism for new Christians calls for special attention {Matthew 28:18-20}. Baptism doesn’t save a person, but is a picture of personal salvation and a sign of obedience to Christ.
Baptism is not a requirement of salvation, but it is a requirement of obedience.
Before Christian baptism, other uses of baptism existed: The OT Mosaic laws included a baptism of washing {EX. 30:17 21}. Naaman baptized himself in the Jordan River as an act of obedience related to his healing {2 Kings 5:14}. John the Baptist’s baptism was like death to the believer’s old way of living and birth to a new kind of living {John 1: 19-34} It had the same elements of later Christian baptism: Repentance, confession, evidence of changed lives, coming judgment, and a focus on Jesus and His Spirit.
 
rinnie said:
No one can answer that question love, but why would anyone take a chance knowing Gods words. That we must be baptised! No one knows Gods mercy, But we do know Gods words, and if we believe them we will want to do the right thing. I still think Mickey had the best answer. No one can beat his IMO on this subject. 👍
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Matthew 19: 13-15 " …Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BLEONGS TO SUCH AS THESE."

MARK 10:13-16 “…Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD BELONGS TO SUCH AS THESE. I ASSSURE YOU, ANYONE WHO DOESN’T HAVE THEIR KIND OF FAITH WILL NEVER GET INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”

Luke 18:15-17 says the same that Mark says.

Jesus welcomed the children, because little children have the kind of faith and trust needed to enter God’s Kingdom. Think about it Jesus wasn’t baptized until he was 30 years old. If a baby or infant needed to be baptized inorder to enter Heaven, Joseph and Mary instead of Presenting Jesus to the Lord in the Temple they would of had him baptized. So don’t worry about your or anyone’s baby giong to heaven if they weren’t baptized because the Kingdom belongs to them.
 
rev_kevin said:
Matthew 19: 13-15 " …Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BLEONGS TO SUCH AS THESE."

MARK 10:13-16 “…Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD BELONGS TO SUCH AS THESE. I ASSSURE YOU, ANYONE WHO DOESN’T HAVE THEIR KIND OF FAITH WILL NEVER GET INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”

Luke 18:15-17 says the same that Mark says.

Jesus welcomed the children, because little children have the kind of faith and trust needed to enter God’s Kingdom. Think about it Jesus wasn’t baptized until he was 30 years old. If a baby or infant needed to be baptized inorder to enter Heaven, Joseph and Mary instead of Presenting Jesus to the Lord in the Temple they would of had him baptized. So don’t worry about your or anyone’s baby giong to heaven if they weren’t baptized because the Kingdom belongs to them.
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Kevin,
Amen.👍
 
rev_kevin said:
No were in the Bible does it say to baptize a baby or infant.
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Whole households includes infants–unless you believe they are not human beings.
rev_kevin said:
When Jesus was born he was not baptized as a infant or baby or even as a todler.
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Silly rabbit. Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament when he was baptized in the Jordan.
rev_kevin said:
Jesus was presented to God, not baptized.{Luke 2:22 “Then it was time for the purification offering, as required by the law of Moses after the birth of a child: so his parents took him to Jerusalem to PRESENT him to the Lord.”}
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Of course. He was a jew–it was the custom according to the OT.
rev_kevin said:
Jesus was 30 years old when he went to John the baptist to be baptized
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And this marked the institution of the sacrament of baptism–for adults, children and infants.
rev_kevin said:
Baptism doesn’t save a person
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Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also
(1Peter 3:21)
rev_kevin said:
Baptism is not a requirement of salvation
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Wrong again.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” ** (Jn 3:5)**
 
rev_kevin said:
Think about it Jesus wasn’t baptized until he was 30 years old.
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With all due respect, that is probably the lamest argument I have ever heard on this forum. Does your sect teach that everyone should wait until they are 30 years old? :eek:

Your understanding of baptism is a new innovation. It was never taught by the early Church, the saints and martyrs, the Church fathers, or even the early reformers for that matter. Believer’s baptism is a new invention which is taught by those who are twisting the truth.

He who has ears–let him hear!
 
Mickey said:
Whole households includes infants–unless you believe they are not human beings.
Silly rabbit. Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament when he was baptized in the Jordan.
Of course. He was a jew–it was the custom according to the OT.
And this marked the institution of the sacrament of baptism–for adults, children and infants.

Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also
(1Peter 3:21)

Wrong again.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” ** (Jn 3:5)**
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silly rabbit i said he wasn’t baptized until he was 30 he was not baptized as a infant. Yes it was custom show me where it changed
 
Mickey said:
With all due respect, that is probably the lamest argument I have ever heard on this forum. Does your sect teach that everyone should wait until they are 30 years old? :eek:

Your understanding of baptism is a new innovation. It was never taught by the early Church, the saints and martyrs, the Church fathers, or even the early reformers for that matter. Believer’s baptism is a new invention which is taught by those who are twisting the truth.

He who has ears–let him hear!
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thanks for the respect the point i was getting at was Jesus wasn’t baptized as a infant he was a adult you should be baptized when you are able to understand what it is all about and you can’t do that as a infant and nobody can make that decission for you. Did John the baptist baptize any child? if so prove it.Matthew 3: 11 I baptize you with water those who turn from sin and return to God. Sin is action of attitude that disobeys God, betrays him or fails to do good hence it is a personal salvation and a sign of obedience to Christ.
he who is blind let him see!
 
rev_kevin said:
silly rabbit i said he wasn’t baptized until he was 30 he was not baptized as a infant. Yes it was custom show me where it changed
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1 Peter3:21 “and this picture of baptism, which now sves you th epower of Jesus Christ’s resurrection. Baptism is not a removal of dirt from your body; it isa appeal to God from a clean conscience.”
silly rabbit were does it say any thing about infants
 
rev_kevin said:
silly rabbit i said he wasn’t baptized until he was 30 he was not baptized as a infant. Yes it was custom show me where it changed
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John 3:5 “the truth is, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Human can reproduce only human life, but the holy spirit gives new life from heaven. So don’t be suprised at my statement that you must be born again. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going,so you can’t explain how people are born of the spirit.”
 
Genesis 17
1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2And I will** make my covenant **between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations,** he that is born in the house**, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

23And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were** born in his house**, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

27And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

Genesis 21:4
4And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.

Colossians 2
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Acts 16:15 (King James Version)

15And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

Acts 2:

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Peter (said) to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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For the promise is made **to you and to your children **and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call.”

These are just a few. I don’t have time to post more verses. Baptism is the New Testament circumcision of the New Covenant (Jer.31). Even if you ignore the word ‘household’, I can’t see how anyone can get past Colossians.
 
Mickey said:
Whole households includes infants–unless you believe they are not human beings.
Silly rabbit. Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament when he was baptized in the Jordan.
Of course. He was a jew–it was the custom according to the OT.
And this marked the institution of the sacrament of baptism–for adults, children and infants.

Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also
(1Peter 3:21)

Wrong again.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” ** (Jn 3:5)**
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Yes they are human that was a insulting statement. yes it says the whole household but does it say babies or infants? This didn’t come from the OT but the NT once again show me were it changed. Show me any where it says infants.
Why did Jesus ask to be bapitzed.
1.Jesus’ baptism was one step in fulfilling his earthly mission in identifying with our humanity and sin.
2. by endorsing th erite of baptism, Jesus gave us an example to follow.
3. Jesus was announcing the begining of his public ministry.
4. Jesus was being baptized for the sins of the nation.
 
rev_kevin said:
thanks for the respect the point i was getting at was Jesus wasn’t baptized as a infant he was a adult you should be baptized when you are able to understand what it is all about and you can’t do that as a infant and nobody can make that decission for you. Did John the baptist baptize any child? if so prove it.Matthew 3: 11 I baptize you with water those who turn from sin and return to God. Sin is action of attitude that disobeys God, betrays him or fails to do good hence it is a personal salvation and a sign of obedience to Christ.
he who is blind let him see!
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explain to me why he waited until he was an adult. Why did he wait so long. I’m not saying you must wait until your 30, get it right! when you are able to make your own decission! You keep pointing to the"house hold" so why wasn’t Jesus baptized as a infant wasn’t he was also part of a House hold. explain!
 
rev_kevin said:
explain to me why he waited until he was an adult.
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Jesus Christ Himself instituted the sacrament…for everyone! He certainly did not wait until the age of 30 so that some 21st century non-denominational sect could exclude infants from the sacrament of baptism while teaching the false doctrine of “the age of reason”.
rev_kevin said:
I’m not saying you must wait until your 30
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It surely seems like that is what you are saying.
 
rev_kevin said:
thanks for the respect the point i was getting at was Jesus wasn’t baptized as a infant he was a adult you should be baptized when you are able to understand what it is all about and you can’t do that as a infant and nobody can make that decission for you. Did John the baptist baptize any child? if so prove it.Matthew 3: 11 I baptize you with water those who turn from sin and return to God. Sin is action of attitude that disobeys God, betrays him or fails to do good hence it is a personal salvation and a sign of obedience to Christ.
he who is blind let him see!
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Mickey said:
I see. You do not count babies or infants as part of the household. Another good one! 👍
If household is not good enough for you. Read the early Church fathers.
To institute the sacrament of baptisim for all mankind----including infants. 😉
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yes babies are part of a household get it right! I never said they weren’t. Why should I read the early Church Fathers isn’t the Bible good enough. Once again I’m going to point you to Mark 10:13-16
“Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! For the KINGDOM BELONGS TO THEM”
Does it say the kingdom belongs to them only if they are baptized NO it does not. You have yet to show me were it says infants must be baptized inorder to go to heaven! and not just the household!
 
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