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rev Kevin, Please tell me what the rev in your handle is for== and My rebuttle is I will not argue with ignorrance and you are to narrow Minded to have a debate with so please just go away…
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rev_kevin
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Roman_Catholic;5486464:
my friend.
Aren’t you the one who said the bible isn’t true? If so you sure quote it as the truth. So which is it or cant you make up your mind? True evil is evil and besides you also brought it up do you recall the Jim Baker statement about being with a gay man? How quickly we forget. In your words hmmmmmmm.
It is strange though. I thought the issue was being hypocrites and not practicing what they preach. Now it’s whoever is the better of the two evils
How quickly:
We had two preacher here that got kilck out of there church one was in a Baptism church and he left and went to a non=denomination church and in three years he was the head preacher,and this is in the same town.,I think the church member are the hypocrites
HYPOCRITE- cheat, deciever,pretender,dissembler, fake, charlatan. {Websters doctionary and thesaurus}
HYPOCRITE- Prentender, a play actor {Matthew 6:2,5,16}. One whose walk and talk don’t match. Aperson who doesn’t do what they say. {The student Bible dictionary}
I hope this answers your “It is strange remark.” Preach against it but do it. Now do you get the connection. hmmmmmmmm probably not.
Now I thought you said he did the same thing the priests did? If this is true why isn’t he in prison and why isn’t he a registered pedifile? Nice little town you live in when you and the town accept this kind of behavior. I say you because you live there and never stated you tried to do anything or even stop him from preaching anymore.
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rev_kevin
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The truth hurts don’t it. Now you want it to go away but earler you made fun of me for asking the same thing. You’r too ignorante and narrow minded to have a intelligent conversation.
CONVERSATION- an informal talk. {websters}
INTELLIGENT- having or showing intelligents {webster}
You aren’t capable of of eather.
IGNORANT- lacking education or knowledge, not awaer, lacking comprehension. {webster}
Just thought I would educate you on these words, incase you didn’t know.
P.S. at least I back up what I say. You never did or can’t.
This is not a c.b. so its not a handle. If you are so intelligent figure out what rev.
stands for.
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You did not answer my question is it to hard or do you not remember. and like I said I will not debate with ignorance…Was there a part of the question you did not understand rev(may be this will help)
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rev_kevin
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By no means I’m not better than anyone eles. Yes you are right and that is what I preach to my people. See some in the church look down on you if you go near the “wrong kind of people” and in making that kind of judgment on some one is making the same judgment on Jesus. Look at his disciples not the best of people on the earth until Jesus entered their lives. A well person don’t need a doctor, a sick person does, so the same with sinners, a saved person don’t need to be saved, but a sinner does. Unfourtanly that kind of church don’t exist until we reach heaven, there you will find perfection in all.Quote= onenow1, Rev Ken,with all due respect you know Jesus came down in the flesh and hung around all of us sinners;and you know that was His mission to save all, including hypocrites ? I mean no disrespet here but your not saying you are better are you ?
Rev Ken,remember the Pharisee that prayed and thanked God he was not like others ?
When you find the perfect church the perfect minister and the perfect people I’m ready to sign up .
Peace, and God Bless onenow1," Snack time "
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rev_kevin
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Later dud enough is enough you can’t look at others points at least I can. Iforgive you for the negative comments and I’m sorry for mine still love you and may God bless you.
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reverend
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Bill_Pick
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Well from you first post I can see you are a little hot head and its okay Why do you have rev in front of your name you are not a Rev are you, I see your profile has non-denomination, so you may be
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Tanner9188
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**Nope! That would be like you showing from Scripture that original sin is washed away at infant baptism or for that matter any sin is washed away from water baptism.
But I can show you from Scripture the true Baptism that does save and a little more than that.
Mt 3:11 - "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Lu 3:16 - John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Here we see 2 other baptisms other than water. Note the end of Matthew 3: 11. John says when the Messiah comes, “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” So the second kind of baptism is Holy Spirit baptism. In our reading of baptism in the New Testament, we must continually decide, “Is this passage referring to water baptism or to Holy Spirit baptism?” There are at least eleven references to Holy Spirit baptism in the New Testament. The passage then goes on to talk about judgment in Matthew 3:12, so the baptism of fire may be a reference to the judgment that the Messiah will bring. But the main point to note is that three different kinds of baptism are mentioned here.
Mark 10: 38,39 speaks of a baptism of suffering: “Jesus said to them, ‘You do not know what you are asking for. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized? ’ And they said to Him, ‘We are able. ’ And Jesus said to them, ‘The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized." He was not talking about water baptism here. That had already taken place. He was talking about something else— probably suffering.
In Acts 19, Paul discovered some disciples of John the Baptist who were still adhering to his message, long after he had been executed (see Acts 19: 1- 6). In Acts 19: 3- 5, Paul asked them, “ ‘Into what then were you baptized? ’ And they said, ‘Into John’s baptism. ’ And Paul said, ‘John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus. ’ And when they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Note what happened here. Even though these disciples had been baptized with John’s baptism, they are baptized again in the name of Jesus. Obviously, since they were rebaptized, there is a difference or a distinction between the baptism of John and Christian baptism.
The fact that He is about thirty years of age at the time of His baptism is significant because the Old Testament tells us that a male could not begin to carry out his priestly functions until he was thirty years of age. Because Jesus is the Prophet, Priest and King of the nation, it would be fitting for Him to begin His ministry at thirty years of age.
In Matthew 3: 14, as Jesus comes to John to be baptized, note John’s response: “But John tried to prevent Him, saying, ‘I have need to be baptized by You, and do you come to me? ’ ” John realized his need to be identified with Christ, his need to be cleansed by Christ. Jesus’ response is important: “But Jesus answering said to him, ‘Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness’ ” (Matt. 3: 15). Jesus recognized that it was right and proper. In fact, it was obligatory for a believer in Israel to be baptized by John. The true believers in the nation Israel were going out to be baptized by John, indicating that they were trusting God and anticipating the coming Messiah to bring in the Kingdom. And now, following His previous pattern of identifying with the nation in important ways, Jesus is baptized by John. In doing so, He identifies Himself with the message of John—“ Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matt. 3: 2). He identified Himself with the believing remnant in Israel who were prepared for the coming Kingdom. Christ baptism was unique to itself and unrepeatable. A lot more could be said, but not at this time.**
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rev_kevin
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Yes I am. Remember You sound a little hot headed also. I’m only human and we all have our faults. I realized things were getting out of hand and wanted to put a stop to it. I have no regrets in talking to you but on both sides it was getting uncivil and needed to stop. Foregive me for the negative comments just as I have forgiven you. I still love you and God bless you in all you do. See anything can be accomplished through Jesus, understanding, and love for one another.
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very well said
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Bill_Pick
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Tanner, Please take your time and read all these verse and then get back to me and I will explain they to you’
Jn 3:5; Mk 16:16 - baptism required for entering heaven
1Cor 15:21-22 - in Adam all die, in Christ all made alive
Mk 10:14 - let children come; to such belongs the kingdom
Lk 18:15 - people were bringing even infants to him…
Col 2:11-12 - baptism has replaced circumcision
Jos 24:15 - as for me and my house, we will serve Lord
Mt 8:5ff. - daughter healed because of centurion’s faith
Mt 15:21ff. - daughter healed because of Canaanite woman’s faith
Lk 7:1ff. - just say the word, and let my servant be healed
Acts 16:31 - believe in Lord Jesus you & house will be saved
Acts 16:15 - she was baptized, with all her household
Acts 16:33 - he and all his family were baptized at once
1Cor 1:16 - I baptized the household of Stephanas
Jn 3:5; Mk 16:16 - baptism required for entering heaven
1Cor 15:21-22 - in Adam all die, in Christ all made alive
Mk 10:14 - let children come; to such belongs the kingdom
Lk 18:15 - people were bringing even infants to him…
Col 2:11-12 - baptism has replaced circumcision
Jos 24:15 - as for me and my house, we will serve Lord
Mt 8:5ff. - daughter healed because of centurion’s faith
Mt 15:21ff. - daughter healed because of Canaanite woman’s faith
Lk 7:1ff. - just say the word, and let my servant be healed
Acts 16:31 - believe in Lord Jesus you & house will be saved
Acts 16:15 - she was baptized, with all her household
Acts 16:33 - he and all his family were baptized at once
1Cor 1:16 - I baptized the household of Stephanas
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Tanner9188
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**Bill I am already familiar with these passages; if you think water baptism removes any sin then we agree to disagree. If you believe infants should be baptized to remove original sin; again we agree to disagree. If you believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit; different than that of water baptism is the saving baptism of the indwelling Holy Spirit, then we agree. If you don’t believe there are at least 3 types of baptism and I believe I can show their is a fourth; then we understand Scripture totally different.
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**Col 2:11-12 - baptism has replaced circumcision
Water baptism is not a sign/symbol of a covenant as circumcision was with the covenant between Abraham and God; see Genesis 17:11. Circumcision symbolized mans need for cleansing of the heart and was the outward sign of that cleansing of sin that comes by faith in God and identified with the Abrahamic covenant. At salvation, believers undergo a spiritual “circumcision” by putting off the sins of the flesh. This is the New Birth, the new creation at conversion. The outward affirmation of that which is already accomplished, the inner transformation, is now the “believer’s baptism”, which is water baptism. So yes they are similar, but only as an outward expression of an inward faith. Just as the Jews were circumcised, many perished in unbelief and likewise; many that were/are& will be, water baptized perish in unbelief because neither water baptism or circumcision removes/removed sin of any kind.
Colossians 2: 11 reads, “And in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands.” Obviously, this passage refers to a spiritual reality. We know that circumcision is a physical act, but the circumcision Paul speaks of is made without hands. It is a spiritual circumcision. So when verse 12 continues speaking of baptism, it is a spiritual baptism as well. It parallels Romans 6 in content, examining the idea of our being placed in Christ and identified with Him by the Spirit of God. Part of the confusion on the relationship of baptism to salvation is a failure to understand the context of the passages we are talking about. These passages refer to Spirit baptism which is essential to salvation.
1 Corinthians 12: 13 Paul says, “By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.” Note that this Spirit baptism is something that had already happened among the Corinthians. But in 1 Corinthians 3: 1, Paul calls the Corinthians babies, fleshly Christians. From this we see that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not something that happens later to a believer that elevates him to a new plane of Christian life. If it were, how could the Corinthians still be fleshly? The baptism of the Spirit introduces people to the Christian life. It is what makes people Christians.
“By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit” (1 Cor. 12: 13). Not only are we baptized with the Holy Spirit, but we also drink of the Spirit. The significance of this is found in Romans 8: 9: “But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.” It is that simple. If you do not indwelt by and of the Spirit of God, you cannot belong to Him. This is a universal truth for all believers.
In light of the Scriptures, we can conclude that a person is baptized with the Holy Spirit the moment he recognizes and believes that he is a sinner for whom Jesus Christ died. The Spirit of God identifies him with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection and makes him a part of the Body of Christ. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is the command Jesus gave and outward is the expression of a professed faith in Christ.
I hope this helps in your understanding of what Scripture teaches concerning the differences between water and spirit baptism.**
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Tanner, Yes if you think water baptism dose not removes any sin then we agree to disagree. I believe as the Apostle do and did so have a good night and May Our Lord Bless you and your
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By no means I’m not better than anyone eles.
Onenow:
Rev kevin:Yes you are right and that is what I preach to my people.
onenow1: You have people ?
Rev kevin: See some in the church look down on you if you go near the “wrong kind of people” and in making that kind of judgment on some one is making the same judgment on Jesus.
onenow1: What are the wrong kind of people ?
Peace and God bless onenow1
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Tanner9188
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Bless you and best of luck working out your own salvation.
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placido
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“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12)
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Mickey
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That’s a start.
Sure it is.
Now add to this Scriptural evidence, the witness of the early Church Fathers, and you should be able to shed your false belief about the invention of “the age of reason” for holy baptism.
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I do not know the reason that you decided to leave an apostolic Church…but I am surely not affirming those reasons.
I am not laughing at you. I am sorry you feel that way.
You do not know me. There is no reason for ad hominem attacks.
Are you familiar with apostolic succession? There is one baptism for the remission of sins.
I know. Your mind is made up. I have shown you Scriptural evidence. I have shown you evidence from the earliest Christians and Church Fathers. I have shown you that infant baptism has been a continuous practice from Scriptural times until this day. But you have chosen to believe something that is a relatively new invention.
People here on this forum have shown you many passages that support the apostolic doctrine. For me, the passages on whole households is the most convincing. But you have chosen to believe that babies and infants are not included in whole households.
I see that you are getting frustrated because you continue to hurl insults.
I would never make light of such an event. That was a manifestation of the Holy Trinity. The Father spoke, Christ was baptised, and the Holy Spirit descended as a dove. It is proof of the importance of this holy sacrament.
You have done no such thing.
I have only meant to show you how the apostolic Church has taught baptism from the very beginning. I am sorry that you have been offended. Please forgive me.
Jesus Christ taught many things…including the importance of holy baptism…for entire households!
I do that often…thank you.
I pray that one day you return to the apostolic faith.
Something made you leave alright, Rev…but it was not me.
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