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rinnie
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Thank-you Another very very good point!
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Mickey
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I imagine that would be difficult because I do not know your reasons.
Lol means that a person finds something humorous. They are not laughing at you. This is an anonymous forum–don’t take it so personal.
Calling someone ignorant and close-minded is an ad hominem–no matter how you try to spin it.
And I did. Many here have shown you the truth—but you will not accept it.
Excellent! Then you now believe that the Sacred Scripture is talking about infants also when it says, “entire households”.
And as I said before. Christ’s age has nothing to do with your rejection of infant baptism. Your odd logic would require everyone to be baptised at age 30!
Where did you find that argument? Not even the modern day reformers use that one!PS–Please use the proper quotation method when posting. It is almost impossible to read your responses.
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rinnie
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Rev Kev, Here is something I don’t understand. Okay now do you understand the scripture you posted. Did it or not say LET the CHILDREN COME TO ME. Now How can you deny Baptism for Children when you pointed it out yourself.
Why would Jesus say let the Children come to me, then turn around and deny the the most important gift to mankind Grace from Baptism:shrug:
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rinnie
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Sorry to derail, but no denom. why not just say protestant. Could you explain Non-denom, to me Rev kev. Thanks.
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rev_kevin
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Ok lets get 1 thing strait. I NEVER said infants shouldn’t be baptized ok. All I asked was to prove to me where in the Bible it says that. Ya’ll really need to STOP TWISTING my words and look at what I said not what you think I said ok! I have said this several times why can’t ya’ll get it through your heads.I never said that, them are words coming out of your mouths not Mind!
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rev_kevin
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I imagine that would be difficult because I do not know your reasons.
Now lets get 1 thing strait, you have your beliefs and I have mine. Is that so hard to understand, your way is not the only way. Your religion is not the only one. You believe what you want to believe and I 'll believe what I want to believe ok. We are from 2 different religions who believe different ways and see things in a different light. Accept my beliefs just a I accept yours, thats what real people do. For some reason you have something against me and thats fine but I on the other hand have nothing against you. I pray that you can understand others views on things and accept that your way is not the only way. I’ll also pray that you stop being so stuborn in your ways. I’ll pray that you read what someone writes and not misunderstand what is being said even after being told several times. I appaud you for your strong belief and accept it I hope you do the same.
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rev_kevin
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Do you know where the scripture I quoted is and yes I know what it means, I’ll tell you but you probably won’t accept it anyway but I’ll give it another shot.
Matthew 19:v13 What Jesus is saying is the disciples must have forgotten what Jesus had said about children from Matthew 18:4-6 which says, Therefore anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is th egreatest in the kingdom of heaven. And anyone who welcomes a little child like this one on my behalf is welcoming me. But if anyone causes on of these little ones who trusts in me to loose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck. Back to 17:13-Jesus wanted little children to come to him because he loves them and because they ahve a quileless trust in God. He doesn’t mean heaven is only for children but that all people need childlike faith in God. There you have it I know what is means but it might not be ther “right” answer for you or your religion.
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rinnie
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Chill out there now Rev, Kev. All I said is that your scripture said let the CHildren come to me would be another good piece of evidence for Children being Baptised.
It was your saying Jesus being 30 years old that made me think that you did not agree with it thats all. Please re-read the bottom of the thread you wrote I responded to and then come back and see if you can understand why It looked that way to me. Thanks
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rev_kevin
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I see what your saying about the 30 year old. Sorry I guess I didn’t word it right or the way I intended it to be.
You have my sincere apology for that.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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This means one of three things; either you do not see yourself as a Christian, you do not see Catholics as Christian or this was a misprint. So which is it?
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placido
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That is the root cause of your problem. You want us to show you “where in the Bible it says that” infants must be baptized, yet you can’t show us where in the Bible it says that everything must be written in the Bible.
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And Rev Kevin responded …
I don’t think that was a question of jumping from one topic to the other. That was rather a question of pointing out your blatant inconsistency - rejecting infant baptism because you don’t find it in the Bible, yet believing the Trinity even though you don’t find it in the Bible.
Go tell that to the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Oneness Pentecostals. They, using the Bible alone, will accuse you of a serious heresy.
But how, exactly, do the presence of all 3 make a trinity? If I, for example, find Rev Kevin speaking, his son being baptized and his wife (wearing a beautiful white dress) looking on, can I go forth and say I have seen a trinity? If not, why not?
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It means none of that. I don’t see things the way the Catholics do (different views) Yes Catholics are Christians.
I see myself as a Christian but don’t see things the way Catholics see things (different religion, different belief)
Not a misprint
Although we do believe in some of the same things, we don’t believe in all the same things.
See you have your beliefs and we have ours. Kinda like the Jewish religion don’t beleive in what the Catholic religion believes and the Catholic religion dont believe what the Jewish religion believes or the Muslam religion don’t believe in your religion or my religion or the Jewish religion or a budist religion. See different religions, different beliefs.
See what I’m saying. Just because I don’t belileve in the same thing you believe don’t make me any less a Christian then you are.
Christian-a person who believes or professes belief in Jesus Christ and lives according to his teachings. a member of a church . of aor related to Jesus Christ or the religion deriving from him. of or relating to Chridtians. a befitting a Christian (source-websters dictionary)
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Mickey
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Excellent! Then ya’ll agree with us. That ends the debate that never was.
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Mickey
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Settle down pilgrim. I am simply asking you to use the features of this forum so that others can understand your responses.
There is one way. It is Christ’s way. It is the way. And He founded a visible Church that still exists today.
Not at all. I do not know you. I was simply correcting you regarding the erroneous belief that infants should not be baptised. But the argument has been settled.
Peace and God bless!
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Roman_Catholic_1
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I do not see Protestantism and Catholicism as two different religions. You can see it how you want but your examples of Catholicism v. Islam only makes your position all the more strange. Are you suggesting that the divide between Protestantism and Catholicism is on par to the divide between Catholicism and Islam?
You are non-denominational so there are some things that you agree on with Baptists and things you don’t. Are you and Baptists members of two different religions?
Again this is apples to oranges comparison.
Hold on there rev. Lets not put words into my mouth. You are the one suggesting that you and I are of two different religions.
And yet you believe we are of two different religions…Notice the phrase,* “…of or related to Jesus Christ or the religion deriving from Him…”*
*‘The’ *religion. Not *‘a’ *religion.
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rinnie
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Apology accepted
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awantz
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Back to the original post. The only thing I might disagree with is the title. Infant baptism is basically the same thing as baby dedication.
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Mickey
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No it is not.
Dedication is something that the baptists invented and many of the non-denom sects copied.
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