Baptism of babies & infants

[rev_kevin]

I am sorry. I hope and pray for the Lord to give you the necessary strengtth.

Thank you.
Sometimes its difficult. Some days I shake real bad and I don’ know from one day to the next if I’m going to be able to walk or even get out of bed. I’m on 12 different types of medication for the parkinsons, high b.p., depression due to the parkinsons, but I will not let it stop me from doing God’s work. But things have gotten better due to the medications, at first I was in a wheelchair then the meds started to work ,I went to a walker, then a cain. I’m only 48. When I go to the nursing homes there are people whith the same thing. It is scarry because I see what is in store for me. The one thing that really bothers me is the possabiliby of going blind because of this. I think how horrable it would be not to be able to see what God had created. Its hard raising a family with this I have older daughters that are married and hae their own lives, i also have 2 younger boys 14 and 9 the 14 year remembers me when I was a strong firefighter and was able to do things, but my 9 yr old only knows me like this. I can’t play ball with him because its hard to through the ball. I can’t chase him because I can’t run. I can’t do a lot of things I want to because I shake. But I still love God. And I like to worship him like I do. I find comfort in the way I worship him. The people at my church are very caring and loving and that is what I need, not saying yours isn’t but this is what I like. Well there I am in a nutshell, thats who you have been talking with. Sorry if I come across like a b. hole I’m not.
Once again thank you
placido

 

[rev_kevin]

The Catholic Church, which is the True Church, founded by Jesus Christ Himself, teaches that infant baptism is necessary and efficacious for salvation. Christ’s True Church cannot teach error, therefore we obey. If protestants choose to be disobedient, that is their problem. We choose to follow Christ’s Church in this matter.

Ok lets just say you beleive your way and I’ll believe mine. I’m tired of this bickering back and forth about who’s church is the right one. I DON’T disobey God or his teachings. You have your way and I have mine. Lets keep it like that ok.

 

[Bill_Pick]

revken Let me run this by you;;;

Suggests baptism of all, entire household including children Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; 1 Cor 1:16
Necessity of baptism Jn 3:5
Circumcision (normally performed on infants) replaced by baptism Col 2:11-12
and BTW why did you not post the question on Apostolic Succession remember I was going to bed,LOL well its post look it up I like two see your answer . LATER

 

[rev_kevin]

revken Let me run this by you;;;

Ok lets run through this ONE more time.
I NEVER said not to baptize infants. As a matter of fact I believe I said, I don’t care who you baptize or at what age you baptize them. So why do you insist of harping on something I NEVER SAID???

Suggests baptism of all, entire household including children Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; 1 Cor 1:16
Necessity of baptism Jn 3:5
Circumcision (normally performed on infants) replaced by baptism Col 2:11-12
and BTW why did you not post the question on Apostolic Succession remember I was going to bed,LOL well its post look it up I like two see your answer . LATER

Yes you did say you were giong to bed but
When I posted it your GREEN LIGHT WAS ON indicating you were still on line. Besides I didn’t know you had to be on line to respond, or is that your rule besides you along with others have reponded to me when I’m off line. So don’t cry because I didn’t OBEY your going to bed. YOUR GREEN LIGHT WAS ON! And is that really that big of a deal to you.
You posted something when I said I was going to bed. Sounds like something a 4 year old would say. Give me a break!

 

[awantz]

No it is not.

Dedication is something that the baptists invented and many of the non-denom sects copied.

Yes it is. I’ve done both. I know Catholics who have also done both and would agree with me.

 

[rev_kevin]

Like I said, the root cause of your problem is not knowing or ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church and its doctrines existed before a single line of the New Testament was written. To put it bluntly: the 27 NT books were sellected because they agreed or did not contradict Catholic doctrine - not the other way round.

So some man or men deceided to pick and choose what they believe to be the truth. Some men said we don’t want this because we don’t agree with it. This is what we want everyone to believe and the rest can go in the trash, we don’t want them to see the other writtings because they don’t agree with our beliefs. We tell you and you listen to us, this is what you are to believe in and thats it, just what we say you should and nothing eles, you can not see the other writtings because they might prove us wrong. Sounds like they don’t want the truth to be known if they choose ONLY what agrees with the Catholic doctrine.

I opened up to you about myself and what my fear is #258 and you call me ignorante 5 postings later. Thanks but no thanks. I will never open up to anyone on the or anyother sight. GOOD BYE!!!

placido

 

[Mickey]

Yes it is. I’ve done both. I know Catholics who have also done both and would agree with me.

Then they are no longer Catholic. “Dedication” is not remotely connected to the sacrament of holy baptism.

 

[awantz]

O Boy, yet another member of a “non denominational” denomination out to set us Catholics straight.

Infant dedication is very different from infant Baptism. Baby dedication is just promissing to bring your child up, so that eventually he may make the decision to "become Christian at a later date, it is what Baptists and “non denominationals” call an ordinance.

Baptism is a sacrament that actually does what it symbolizes. It actually forgives sin personal or the original sin. In case of children’s baptism who have no personal sin it forgives original sin.

The child grows up as a Christian already, and does not have to grow up a sinner, to become a Christian later in life.

There is a big difference between the two, their is a big difference difference between a sacrament and an “ordinance” as well.

The only reason i used the title non-denominational is, because I don’t think we should separate the Christian churches. We should all be welcome in the same church. I’m not trying to set anyone straight.

It’s not that different. I’ve done both. It does wipe away original sin, but it doesn’t make the child a Christian. In the Catholic church you become a Christian at confirmation, not at infant baptism. I confirmed this with Catholics in my area.

 

[Mickey]

In the Catholic church you become a Christian at confirmation, not at infant baptism.

:bigyikes:

 

[hosemonkey]

Ok lets just say you beleive your way and I’ll believe mine. I’m tired of this bickering back and forth about who’s church is the right one. I DON’T disobey God or his teachings. You have your way and I have mine. Lets keep it like that ok.

OK, you do it your way, and we’ll do it God’s way.

 

[Sarah_Angel]

It’s not that different. I’ve done both. It does wipe away original sin, but it doesn’t make the child a Christian. In the Catholic church you become a Christian at confirmation, not at infant baptism. I confirmed this with Catholics in my area.

Huh? So that means that I wasn’t a Christian when I received my First Communion, the Precious Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?

Are you going to trust these Catholics in your area over people on this forum who have studied the faith so thoroughly and defend it?

Confirmation means becoming an adult in the Catholic Church, meaning that whoever is confirmed has received all 3 Sacraments of Initiation, and (correct me if I’m wrong) is therefore eligible to volunteer to work in the Church as an Extraordinary Minister, a reader, a Sacristan, etc. There’s probably more to it than that but I’ll let the experts get into that.

In regards to infant baptism, I always wanted to ask: Did John the Baptist deny toddlers and infants baptism?

 

[rinnie]

No not at all the baptists did not invent it. See after Jesus was born he was circumcised than then he was PRESENTED to the Lord in the temple Luke 2:22-24
Don’t sound like the baptist invented it. You are so wrong.

Tell me this Rev Kev if you don’t mind. I have a customer and he was brought up Catholic. Now he told me he was going to have his Child dedicated, that is the word he used.

Now I asked him if it was Baptism, and he told me no. Its just like a ceremony of sorts.

Now here is my question in this dedication is it said that I baptise you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

 

[pipper]

rev_kevin:
Kevin do you take levadopa for your Parkinsons? I too have Parkinsons and had a stroke as well.

Sinamet helps me with my shaking a great deal.

 

[rinnie]

:bigyikes:

Oh my Mick, Does that mean a Christening isn’t a Christening anymore? So when we get our child Baptised they are not a Christian. That must be a new rule or something. Someone better tell Father

Just wondering when the Priest say I baptise you in the Name of the Father, and the SOn, and the Holy Spirit what does that make them if not a Christian.

I better go back to school, how about you Mickey, because John 3:5 said thats how its done. Now I think I will stick with John, How about you Mick?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Yes you did say you were giong to bed but
When I posted it your GREEN LIGHT WAS ON indicating you were still on line. Besides I didn’t know you had to be on line to respond, or is that your rule besides you along with others have reponded to me when I’m off line. So don’t cry because I didn’t OBEY your going to bed. YOUR GREEN LIGHT WAS ON! And is that really that big of a deal to you.
You posted something when I said I was going to bed. Sounds like something a 4 year old would say. Give me a break!

rev I was trying to be nice to you but you are making it very hard to do,what does asking a question sound make me look like a 4 year old. and believe me I have never ask you to obey that will make you stop and get a dictionary and look up the word… and like most of your post you are cofused again, I said I was going to bed and to post the question that was taking over the Ojteen tread and some one else said it be a good tread, and yes I will give you a break I will not ask questions you do not have the abiliy to answer.,rev you will do much better with people if you will get of your hiy horse and drop your atttitudte and stop being so touching

 

[placido]

So some man or men deceided to pick and choose what they believe to be the truth. Some men said we don’t want this because we don’t agree with it. This is what we want everyone to believe and the rest can go in the trash, we don’t want them to see the other writtings because they don’t agree with our beliefs.

Not “some man or men” but the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13) decided / identified which writings are God-breathed. If you don’t agree with the Church picking and choosing those writings that it believed to be God-breathed, unfortunately you will have to cast out your Bible …

We tell you and you listen to us, this is what you are to believe in and thats it, just what we say you should and nothing eles,

Yes. Because the Church, being the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15), was given that power (Matthew 16:19). Whoever rejects the Church’s decision rejects Christ Himself (Luke 10:16).

you can not see the other writtings because they might prove us wrong.

No, you can see the other writings as well, but be sure they are not God-breathed (inspired) and are not part of the canon.

Sounds like they don’t want the truth to be known if they choose ONLY what agrees with the Catholic doctrine.

You can only say the Catholic Church doesn’t want the truth to be known, if you believe that those writings that the Catholic Church excluded from the New Testament (e.g. the gospel of Peter, the Revelation of Paul, the Traditions of Matthias, the Epistle of Christ to Peter and Paul, etc) are the truth.

I opened up to you about myself and what my fear is #258 and you call me ignorante 5 postings later. Thanks but no thanks. I will never open up to anyone on the or anyother sight. GOOD BYE!!! !!! !!! !!!

Did I call you “ignorant” or did I say you are “ignoring the fact that …”? I thought there was a difference between the two.

placido

 

[Mickey]

Oh my Mick, Does that mean a Christening isn’t a Christening anymore? So when we get our child Baptised they are not a Christian. That must be a new rule or something. Someone better tell Father

Just wondering when the Priest say I baptise you in the Name of the Father, and the SOn, and the Holy Spirit what does that make them if not a Christian.

I better go back to school, how about you Mickey, because John 3:5 said thats how its done. Now I think I will stick with John, How about you Mick?

I’m with you rinnie. That post thoroughly confused me.

 

[Link21]

I would like to add my insight on to this matter. Infant baptism is a big debate among the churches especially in Protestianism. I look at it this way when Martin Luther seperated from the church he said, “Everybody must be baptised because of our fallen nature of
Adam and Eve.” Sorry if it’s not quoted correctly, but that’s what he was getting at. I just want to point out there are a lot of other churches that baptize infants in Protestian denominations. There are a lot that do not because they kind of adhere to anti-baptist teachings.
My question is if Baptism is so inmportant why does a verse in the bible mention that people were baptising the dead. Baptism back then must of meant a lot. The apostles knew after that Jesus had corrected them to accept infants into God’s grace that they needed to be baptised.
Also I would like to add we should look at some sources outside of the bible to see if there were stories of evangleize baptising babies way long time ago. I of course do not know of any records but I believe there should be some.

 

[rev_kevin]

Kevin do you take levadopa for your Parkinsons? I too have Parkinsons and had a stroke as well.

Sinamet helps me with my shaking a great deal.

Oh how wonderful to have something in common with someone here.
I find that Requip works good for me. I know they use it for r.l.s. but it is auctually a parkinsons med. I take 2 1mg tablets 2x’s a day and 1-2mg tablet 1x a day. I take 2 different kind of blood pressure pills 3x’s a day. I find that stress makes me shake more.
I tried the Sinamet but is made me sick for some reason. I may talk to my dr. to see about trying Sinamet again.

 

[rev_kevin]

rev I was trying to be nice to you but you are making it very hard to do,what does asking a question sound make me look like a 4 year old. and believe me I have never ask you to obey that will make you stop and get a dictionary and look up the word… and like most of your post you are cofused again, I said I was going to bed and to post the question that was taking over the Ojteen tread and some one else said it be a good tread, and yes I will give you a break I will not ask questions you do not have the abiliy to answer.,rev you will do much better with people if you will get of your hiy horse and drop your atttitudte and stop being so touching

I took my frustration out on you because of some of the postings here. Sorry about that you have been pretty nice to me. Lets agree to disagree all this is uncalled for. Confussion is part of my illness also. I’ll stay off this sight