Baptism of babies & infants

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po18guy said:
Do you believe what this “Fundamentalist Baptist” page declares to be true about the Catholic Church?
baptistcatholic.com/
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I know that this is what most “Fundamentalist Baptists believe” (My BIL is a “Missionary” Baptist) and I find it offensive and mostly a tissue of lies. Baptists, please show me where “millions” of “Baptists” were killed by the Church. And show me where “millions” of protestants were killed during the various “inquisitions.” You cannot, because it never happened. Did people die? Of course, people took their religion VERY seriously in those times. Millions? get real. the entire population of Europe would have been wiped out. Baptists attempt to set themselves as some sort of “proto-protestants” when in fact they can claim nothing of the sort. “Worship” Mary? Only someone from Wigglehole, Mississippi still believes that. C’mon Baptists, try advancing into the 19th century, will ya?
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Back to topic : Mark16: 15 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Matt.28: 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
onenow1.:
I think it important to recognize the human maturing process is diffrent, for all of us, that is why it makes sense to baptise infants. The above verses without a doubt show, in context, no age distinction in either verse. What it does show is condemnation for non belief.

Peace and God Bless
onenow1:popcorn:
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tweetymom said:
And the word Catholic is right beside my name and where I live:)
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Hi tweetymom, I too, am a Bible believer. The Holy Spirit teaches me the Bible. Since Hosemonkey continues to bring up my name, I would like to defend myself. I once challenged him to a Scripture debate because at that time, I’ve noticed in more than 15 posts, as you can see in his most recent post, he never quotes any Scripture. At best, I consider him a side line cheerleader. He doesn’t know what this means 2 Cor 1:13, Paul states, “For we do NOT write anything you can not read or understand.” Or 1John 2:27, " As for you, the anointing you received from Him (Holy Spirit) remains in you, and you do NOT need anyone to TEACH you." You see! He needs the church to properly interpret these two Scriptures for him. So please don’t think I’m being sarcastic but facts are facts. ED O.
 
kcmekim said:
Same answer I gave you last time, including the Bible verse I cited. What part of “Agreed. We are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth” did you not understand?
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What does “divide” mean? I have never heard this exact term used in scriptural apologetics. It almost sounds like to “parse”? Remember that terms which are very familiar to you may not be known to others.
 
EdOsiecki said:
Hi tweetymom, I too, am a Bible believer. The Holy Spirit teaches me the Bible. Since Hosemonkey continues to bring up my name, I would like to defend myself. I once challenged him to a Scripture debate because at that time, I’ve noticed in more than 15 posts, as you can see in his most recent post, he never quotes any Scripture. At best, I consider him a side line cheerleader. He doesn’t know what this means 2 Cor 1:13, Paul states, “For we do NOT write anything you can not read or understand.” Or 1John 2:27, " As for you, the anointing you received from Him (Holy Spirit) remains in you, and you do NOT need anyone to TEACH you." You see! He needs the church to properly interpret these two Scriptures for him. So please don’t think I’m being sarcastic but facts are facts. ED O.
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You are right, Ed. You are miffed because I do not regurgitate Scripture. And yes, I do need the Church to AUTHORITATIVELY interpret Scripture for me. Otherwise I would be at the mercy of every tinhorn, self-educated backwoods “evangelist” who had his own particular agenda or was too lazy to find a real job, so he decided to go into the business of fleecing ignorant protestants. Let me say it again. In spite of your delusions, you have no special warrant to interpret Scripture. That power has been left to the Church that Jesus Christ founded, the Holy Catholic Church.
 
hosemonkey said:
I know that this is what most “Fundamentalist Baptists believe” (My BIL is a “Missionary” Baptist) and I find it offensive and mostly a tissue of lies. Baptists, please show me where “millions” of “Baptists” were killed by the Church. And show me where “millions” of protestants were killed during the various “inquisitions.” You cannot, because it never happened. Did people die? Of course, people took their religion VERY seriously in those times. Millions? get real. the entire population of Europe would have been wiped out. Baptists attempt to set themselves as some sort of “proto-protestants” when in fact they can claim nothing of the sort. “Worship” Mary? Only someone from Wigglehole, Mississippi still believes that. C’mon Baptists, try advancing into the 19th century, will ya?
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The site I listed is either knowingly lying, or displays a reckless disregard for the truth. They did absolutely no research before spewing venom against the Catholic Church. Coincidentally, when I attempted to email the Pastor to engage him in some correction, it bounced back “mailbox full” Full is right.

And these people consider themselves good Christians. Only a demon could inspire such trash.

I checked another Baptist site. They had difficulty in describing themselves, and said that they strained to call themselves “Protestant”, yet they were definitely not Catholic. Very strange that they can say what they aren’t, but not what they are. This is not unusual in heresies, which are inspired by the spirit of disobedience.
 
EdOsiecki said:
He doesn’t know what this means 2 Cor 1:13, Paul states, “For we do NOT write anything you can not read or understand.”
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Ed, what do you make of this, written about Paul’s writings:

2 Peter 3:16 (King James Version) “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
You see! He needs the church to properly interpret these two Scriptures for him. So please don’t think I’m being sarcastic but facts are facts. ED O.
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Ed, you finally understand! Praise God in Heaven! Yes! The Church that Jesus founded not only wrote the New Testament, she then determined what was scripture and what was not. She also has the sole authority to say just what it actually means.

What does this mean to you?

2 Peter 1:20 (King James Version) “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”
 
po18guy said:
The site I listed is either knowingly lying, or displays a reckless disregard for the truth. They did absolutely no research before spewing venom against the Catholic Church. Coincidentally, when I attempted to email the Pastor to engage him in some correction, it bounced back “mailbox full” Full is right.
And these people consider themselves good Christians. Only a demon could inspire such trash.
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Well said. I realize that most of it is not driven by malice, but by invincible ignorance. The level of education among fundamentalists is generally not high and usually limited by what is taught in local “seminaries.” The vast majority of fundamentalist “pastors” cannot approach the scholarship of the average catholic priest.
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po18guy said:
What does “divide” mean? I have never heard this exact term used in scriptural apologetics. It almost sounds like to “parse”? Remember that terms which are very familiar to you may not be known to others.
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It should be familiar to anyone who reads scripture. 2 Tim 3 isn’t exactly an obscure passage.
 
po18guy said:
The site I listed is either knowingly lying, or displays a reckless disregard for the truth. They did absolutely no research before spewing venom against the Catholic Church.
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Not unlike some of the Catholics here and their claims about us.
And these people consider themselves good Christians. Only a demon could inspire such trash.
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And who inspires you to make the false statements about what we believe?
 
Jimmy_B said:
Our Father’s Beautiful Gifts to Us – Baptism

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We as Roman Catholics are very fortunate in having the Sacraments. The Sacraments of the Most Holy Roman Catholic Church are beautiful, awesome gifts of Love, given to us by our Father, God.
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Great post Jimmy B.! 👍

Just wanted to throw in a reminder that the Catholic Church is not “Roman” only. The other 22 Catholic Rites are equally fortunate to have the Sacraments, as are our Orthodox brethren. The Catholic Church is One, Holy, and Apostolic, but not always “Roman”.
 
EdOsiecki said:
ED’s Quote:
In Acts 10:43, "All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in HIM, receives FORGIVENESS of sins through His name. v44 'While Peter was still speaking these words, the HOLY SPIRIT came on all who heard the MESSAGE.

PO18GUY response: It’s not in the bible what you are saying. Are you adding to scripture?

Ed’s rebuttle on post 770: IT MOST CERTAINLY IS IN THE BIBLE! I COPIED ACTS 10:43-44, WORD FOR WORD EXACTLY AS IT APPEARS IN THE BIBLE. DON’T YOU READ THE BIBLE?

ED’s rebuttle:…The issue at hand is that you accused me of adding to Scripture which I did NOT and it has nothing to do with my interpretation.
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You do add to Scripture, Ed, and your interpretation is what you add. You seem to believe that this example in scripture encompasses the whole of what the Apostles taught about baptism, and that is just not the case. Yes, this example is a standard description of what happens with adults, and this format is still followed by the Catholic Church today. That in no way negates that the Apostles baptized infants.
 
kcmekim said:
It should be familiar to anyone who reads scripture. 2 Tim 3 isn’t exactly an obscure passage.
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Well, if you really read scripture, this should also be very familiar to you:

If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother’s breasts!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.

(insert Jeopardy theme while contestant frantically rips through heretofore unseen scripture…)
 
kcmekim said:
Not unlike some of the Catholics here and their claims about us.
And who inspires you to make the false statements about what we believe?
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And which one of the myriad sub-sets of “Baptist” do you belong to and which of the points made on the website below (which glories in the name “Fundamentalist Baptist” ) do you NOT agree with?

baptistcatholic.com/
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kcmekim said:
It should be familiar to anyone who reads scripture. 2 Tim 3 isn’t exactly an obscure passage.
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Your Honor, let the record reflect that the defendant is obfuscating and refuses to directly answer the question.

Does the bible need proper interpretation?
  1. Yes
  2. No
Answer please.
 
kcmekim said:
Same answer I gave you last time, including the Bible verse I cited. What part of “Agreed. We are commanded to rightly divide the word of truth” did you not understand?
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Nope. I only understand answers to the simple, direct questions that I ask.
 
po18guy said:
Your Honor, let the record reflect that the defendant is obfuscating and refuses to directly answer the question.

Does the bible need proper interpretation?
  1. Yes
  2. No
Answer please.
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I’ve answered the question two times for you now. Both times, I’ve said a very emphatic YES and even cited a passage of scripture that COMMANDS us to interpret it properly.

This post constitutes the THIRD TIME I’ve answered this question and I will not answer it again.
 
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