Baptism of babies & infants

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That’s really interesting, since I can think of at least two dozen fundamentalist seminaries off the top of my head. ,

And yet, some of the church’s greatest theologians are from the South.

That’s an outright lie. We take church history very seriously. I know this to be a fact because I teach classes on church history. It’s a required segment of any seminary degree.

Again, this is an outright lie.

Actually, most fundamental preachers not only preach (and, by the way, we don’t talk like that. Please feel free to join us in the 21st century), but some of the best theologians in the church today are fundamentalists.

I think you mean immersion, Professor Einstein.

Again, you’re lying.

Our pastors must be ordained and not every lay member can do anything. For instance, lay members are not elders or deacons and cannot fulfil their roles.

I just can’t imagine the Hell that would be raised if a Protestant came here and lied about Catholicism like this.
KC I was reffering to the demoniination I was brought up and dunked in. Every word I said is true. It is the self-named “church of Christ” and they have not a single seminary in their denomination, nary a one. Anyone in that sect who want’s to “praych” (that is exactly how they say it) can “praych” as long as they can find a congregation to hire them. They have no seminaries and no educational requirements. I know I was there for years. They preach strongly agianst any difference between clergy and laity, and anyone who wants to do anything like dunking their daughter. Like I said the dad jumped up out of his theater seat and dunked her right on the spot. The only thing the praychers can do that no-one else can do is to preside at weddings and that is from the law and not their doctrine.

They hate and do not use the word Reverend, and write complaining letters to the editor when someone calls one of their praychers “Reverend” in obituaries. They also call a church a church “building” for their churches are not special or dedicated. They are the ultimate in Protestantism.

But they are not alone and they are not the only church to have no educational requirements. Many “bible colleges” do exist in fundamental land as you well know, many of those bible colleges are not accredited by any recognised bodies as well. I am mostly aware of the Southern Baptists. They do have several seminaries, some of them famous and of course Baylor University. But the Southern Baptists do not require individual congregations to hire seminary graduates, and quite a few small rural congregations do not. In the Southern Baptist church each church is seperate congregationally ruled. They can assosiate with each other for missionary purposes, but again that is optional. I even personally know of Baptist congregations who associate with more than one convention.

You may belong to a less conservative Baptist congregation say the American Baptist churches, or maybe the National Baptist Convention and they do vary widely.

I do find it unusual that your Baptist church recites creeds in worship, BTW there are only two creeds to exist the apostles creed and the Nicene creed. You may have creeds and confessions confused.

I know that one of the Baptist distinctives is the opposition to creeds, becuase creeds conflict with another Baptist distinctive “soul freedom” where any Baptist can read the bible on his or her own free from human creeds and decide their beliefs for themself, the ultimate application of sola scriptura.

I highly resent your calling me a liar, I was telling the absolute truth from my own experience!
 
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Where did he, or any Catholic ever say that Peter is above Christ? You know who? You did, Ed. You just condemned yourself with your own words.
Hi po18guy, thanks for your reply. How can I have an intelligent dialog with you when you can’t read what I write. Hosemonkey on post 871 calls Peter the Rock, getting that from Mat 16:18 which Jesus is being referred to as the Rock here. To most Catholics “Rock” means Peter not Jesus. To Scripture reading Catholics “water or wash” means baptism. That’s as simple as I can make it so that you’ll be able to understand me. ED O.
 
KC I was reffering to the demoniination I was brought up and dunked in.
No, you said “Fundamentalists”. You didn’t say anything about your denomination.
They hate and do not use the word Reverend, and write complaining letters to the editor when someone calls one of their praychers “Reverend” in obituaries. They also call a church a church “building” for their churches are not special or dedicated. They are the ultimate in Protestantism.
If they’re the ultimate in Protestantism, then why are they such a small denomination and why do they hold to so many doctrines that are not common to Protestantism?
But the Southern Baptists do not require individual congregations to hire seminary graduates
That’s really interesting, since I happen to be in a position of leadership in a SBC church and have been a messenger within the denomination for several years. I would love to hear examples of SBC pastors who have either not gone to seminary or are not currently completing seminary.
I do find it unusual that your Baptist church recites creeds in worship
Why?
BTW there are only two creeds to exist the apostles creed and the Nicene creed. You may have creeds and confessions confused.
No, I don’t have creeds and confessions confused.
I know that one of the Baptist distinctives is the opposition to creeds
Do you have a source for that because I’m very familiar with the Distinctives and have never heard of this as one of the Distinctives.

Also, if Baptists are opposed to creeds and confessions, why are there so many Baptist creeds and confessions?
becuase creeds conflict with another Baptist distinctive “soul freedom” where any Baptist can read the bible on his or her own free from human creeds and decide their beliefs for themself, the ultimate application of sola scriptura.
Actually, this has nothing to do with soul liberty or sola scriptura.
I highly resent your calling me a liar, I was telling the absolute truth from my own experience!
And I highly resent you lying about us.
 
It is not necessary to lie about the bizarre practices of protestants, the truth is strange enough.:cool:
The truth may be strange to you, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Strange truth is still truth.
 
The truth may be strange to you, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Strange truth is still truth.
Sorry kcmekim like I said there are a few POMPOUS Catholics. Just don’t lump us all together Some of us love in our hearts not just doctrine:blush:
 
The truth may be strange to you, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Strange truth is still truth.
The fact is is that protestantism possesses only fragments of the truth, like a book missing many of it’s pages. The fullness of Christian is found only in the Holy Catholic Church. Perhaps someday you will be given the grace to see that.
 
So why did you accuse Pipper in post#948 of lying?
She claimed that we don’t have seminaries. Like I said, I can think of at least two dozen just off the top of my head. Were I to be interested enough to do a Google search, I’m sure I could show hundreds.

She claimed that we do not study church history. This is a lie. Church history is required at every seminary for anyone seeking a degree that would allow them to pastor a church.

She claimed that preachers are not theologians when, in truth, some of the finest theologians in the church today are fundamentalists.
The fact is is that protestantism possesses only fragments of the truth, like a book missing many of it’s pages. The fullness of Christian is found only in the Holy Catholic Church. Perhaps someday you will be given the grace to see that.
As a Catholic, I understand that you’ve been told that and are required to believe that, but there is nothing in scripture to indicate that this is true.
 
Sorry kcmekim like I said there are a few POMPOUS Catholics. Just don’t lump us all together Some of us love in our hearts not just doctrine:blush:
You are spelling better, but you are still no Catholic.😛
 
You are spelling better, but you are still no Catholic.😛
Thank you mr. know it all but I am A Catholichave been for a long time Just because I think you are a POMPOUS jerk I don’t see too many Catholic traits with you unless the Church advocates rudeness.
 
She claimed that we don’t have seminaries. Like I said, I can think of at least two dozen just off the top of my head. Were I to be interested enough to do a Google search, I’m sure I could show hundreds.
You used to be black-hearted heretics. We now call you "separated brethren. Thats’ being very generous. IMO
 
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How does baptism harm a baby?
Hi po18guy, thanks for your questions. The better question would be, what good does it do? According to Catholic theology based on Jn 3:5 the infant is born again in baptism, which is not true. The only forgiveness of sins, original or any sin is the belief on Jesus which an infant can not do. ED O.
 
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Hi po18guy, thanks for your questions. The better question would be, what good does it do? According to Catholic theology based on Jn 3:5 the infant is born again in baptism, which is not true. The only forgiveness of sins, original or any sin is the belief on Jesus which an infant can not do. ED O.
Ed,
That is hay that has already been through the horse. Give it a rest.
 
Are you speaking of protestants in general. or Baptists in particular?
She said “Fundamentalists” which, without qualifying, indicates all Fundamentalists.
Again, same question.
Again, same answer.
Which of the myriad “denominations” have the finest theologians
Some are Baptists. Some are Lutherans. Some are Presbyterians. Some are independant.
You used to be black-hearted heretics. We now call you "separated brethren. Thats’ being very generous. IMO
Irrelevant. Regardless of what names you called us then or what you call us now, there is still nothing in scripture to back up your claim that “protestantism possesses only fragments of the truth…The fullness of Christian is found only in the Holy Catholic Church.”

And, by the way, I wonder if I’m the only one who notices the irony that someone who doesn’t know that proper nouns are always capitalized insists on mocking someone else for misspelling a word.
 
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You used to be black-hearted heretics. We now call you "separated brethren. Thats’ being very generous.
Hi Hosemonkey, thanks for your reply. And what did the Roman Catholic church do with heritics in the past? I thank God for your generosity at least now we can speak to each other. ED O.
 
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Baptists believe once saved, always saved, yet the Church of Christ says this is not scriptural?

Quote= kcmekim But OSAS is not an essential doctrine.
=onenow1 According to whom ?
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Seventh Day Adventists say we have to worship on Saturday, but Presbyterians say on Sunday?
Quote=kcmekim, Actually, if you had bothered to read the verse I presented the first time this was brought up, you would have seen that Paul states that we are free to worship on whatever day we like.
Read: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10
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Lutherans believe in the ‘true presence’ in the Holy Eucharist, yet Baptists do not?
=kc, Not an essential doctrine.
=onenow1, Again according to whom ?
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Episcopalians say The Trinity is 3 persons in one GOD, yet Mormons say it is 3 separate GOD’s?
=kc, Mormons aren’t even Christians.
=onenow1, Agreed but they think they are ! They do believe in Jesus don’t they ?
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Methodists accept female ministers, yet Baptists say it is not Biblical?
=kc, This isn’t even a doctrine.
=onenow1, Again according to whom?
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The Assembly of GOD uses instrumental music, yet the Church of Christ says it is not Biblical?
=kc, Again, this isn’t even a doctrine.
=onenow1, Again according to whom ?
=onenow1, You cannot deny these are all causes for disunity, doctrine or not, these are not the works of the Holy Spirit.:nope:
Peace and God Bless
omenow1:)🍿
 
And, by the way, I wonder if I’m the only one who notices the irony that someone who doesn’t know that proper nouns are always capitalized insists on mocking someone else for misspelling a word.
It is deliberate. I do not honor the word “protestant” with a capital letter as I have no regard for it. Neither do I capitalize “mormon.”
 
hosemonkey you maybe a Catholic but a rude one at best! Just a little info I am a tithe paying of aCatholic Church,an ordinary minister an Rcia teacher along with my husband and yes we DO teach the Doctrine and I was asked by our Priest to teach this class. Also along with my husband we are vice presidents of our Church’s Mr. and Mrs. club. We have both helped at our Church school.So there it is and after this I really don’t care what you think:thumbsup:
 
According to whom ?
I have explained so many times now how we determine what is and isn’t an essential doctrine, that I’m not even going to bother repeating it.
Read: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10
None of which command us to worship on a specific day of the week.
Again according to whom ?
I’ve answered this numerous times already.
Agreed but they think they are
If you already knew that they’re not Christians, then it was dishonest of you to claim that they’re Christians.
Again according to whom?
According to the definition of doctrine.
Again according to whom ?
According to the definition of doctrine.
You cannot deny these are all causes for disunity, doctrine or not, these are not the works of the Holy Spirit.:nope:
Peace and God Bless
omenow1:)🍿
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hosemonkey:
It is deliberate. I do not honor the word “protestant” with a capital letter as I have no regard for it. Neither do I capitalize “mormon.”
Then I will be sure to remember not to capitalize “pope”, “catholic church”, or “hosemonkey”.
 
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