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Actually its more along the lines of “simulation of a sacrament” than sacrilege.Because it is a direct sacrilege of another sacrament. It is not just sin.
As are all civil marriages outside of the Church.It is a public denial, on its face, of an essential church teaching about a sacrament.
The priest is not saying “hey no problem.” Such a situation would require discussion with the couple about the nature of the sacrament and what would be expected.But the priest is saying, “Hey no problem. You have no respect for a different sacrament. You’re denying that sacrament by your very lifestyle, but you want me to administer this other sacrament, which for some reason you will respect.”
For starters, canonically one cannot require “counseling.” Secondly, the Church isn’t validing the immoral relationship but is doing its best to save the soul of the child.It would appear that the priest is validating that hypocrisy, unless there is corresponding counseling of the homosexual couple.
Well, I wouldn’t call that “counseling” that’s merely a meeting.(That counseling would consist of reminding the couple what the child will be taught, and getting some verbal acknowledgement from them that they have no intention of subverting that theological instruction.)
Well, this is an issue of following the canons. If the canons don’t permit the denial of a sacrament who is the priest to do so?'I guess, then, that the priest in this case is just willing to give up on the critical role of the parents in disseminating the faith to the child.
Essentially the point is that all sorts of individuals and couples live “publicly” sinful lives. The question becomes why draw the line here but not there?Yes. And they do. And they do so quickly. Which is why I don’t see an essentially contradictory problem with the mafia don. Generally they’re not even going to Mass any more, let alone receiving Communion. And they are not teaching something different to their children about marriage, or the Eucharist. They’re just constantly lying to them about their own business/personal lives, despite the children seeing through that.
As for the mafia don, I can’t think of anything more opposed to the theology of the sacrament of baptism than murder…
The point is that children conceived/born in all sorts of immoral circumstances see the contradiction between where they came from and what the Church teaches. The situation of the child of a homosexual couple is no different.And I never suggested that that child shouldn’t exist, nor that child shouldn’t be baptized.
Its an area that requires a lot of discretion and tact. There’s all sorts of situations that need to be addressed and we need to look to precedent and the hierarchy for how to apply the canons.Perhaps I don’t see the sacramental life of the Church, and of its members, as so segmented, and certainly I don’t see it as segmented from the catechesis of the child.
I never said you did. My point is that outside of a brief meeting in which the Church’s expectations for baptism are made clear and the couple agrees, there’s not much more that canon law allows for.and I didn’t say that the homosexual couple needs more counseling than the cohabitaing heterosexual couple; I said quite the opposite
I’m not sure what you want me to addressI’ll just note that you haven’t addressed this issue yet: the issue of Catholic family unity.I appreciate it that there’s no control over that. My issue is not “control.” The issue is witness and the observable, apparent ingredients for family cohesiveness and spiritual consistency, which the Church states is important.
The canons only require that the parents will raise the child in the Catholic faith. It says nothing of requiring the parents to be perfect standing…