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Bill_Pick
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Most Baptist believe in OSAS,Do we know what other denomination think of OSAS
What do other denominations believe about OSAS
What do other denominations believe about OSAS
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cradlecatholic5
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Just heard Fr John Corapi talk about this on Catholic Radio this morning on the way into work.
He said he’s been asked (especially in the South) “Are you saved, brother?” And he answers “no, not until I’m in heaven.”
He said he’s been asked (especially in the South) “Are you saved, brother?” And he answers “no, not until I’m in heaven.”
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Contarini
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Baptists are not one denomination–they are a family of denominations and independent congregations. Most of them in the U.S. believe in OSAS–not however in Eastern Europe.
OSAS is in origin part of Calvinism, but it functions rather differently in that context and “real” Calvinists don’t generally like to say that their view is the same as OSAS. If we consider them the same, then all the Reformed churches would historically teach OSAS (or the “Perseverance of the Saints,” as they prefer to call it): Presbyterians and Congregationalists as well as the various churches with “Reformed” in their name.
Many Baptists are “real” Calvinists as well.
Many nondenominational evangelicals and members of various evangelical denominations teach the familiar semi-Calvinist version of OSAS–it’s spread throughout much of American evangelicalism, even in denominations that officially don’t teach it.
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Friend Edwin is quite correct. I have attended a Mennonite Brethren church for a short time…in Anabaptist tradition “eternal security” is not a tenet of faith…but among the Mennonite Brethren I worshipped with…it was taught in church school. I asked the pastor the reason…he was an ex-JW who came among the MB’s through a Baptist church.
While traditionaly Mennonite Brethren do not embrace “eternal security”, many MB’s came from Baptist or Reformed groups…and this doctrine was finding it’s way into local congregations…so much that the Mennonite Brethren were considering withdrawing from the Mennonite Central Committee as most MB’s in the congregation I was visiting no longer held to the Mennonite peace stance.
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I checked the MB web and they still are members of the MCC and officially still hold to a peace stance. Another trend among the Mennonite Brethren was to not necessarily identify themselves as a Mennonite Brethren group in local congregational names…“El Camino Bible Church”…“Peace Bible Church”…etc…
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Harry1941
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[SIGN]Only a man who believes and repents and lives a good life is saved, Not one who believes and does no repentance. Faith alone will not save an unrepented man
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Anna_Scott
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Hey, Bill Pick,
I’m a former Baptist, so I’ve heard OSAS most of my life. A thorough reading of the New Testament cured me.
My Episcopal Rector said that a good answer to the question, “Are you saved?” would be, “I’m part of the people God is saving.” That makes Biblical sense.
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Bill_Pick
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Anna, That is a good answer,but you always give good answer
We reject it. The Formula of Concord says:
[bookofconcord.org/fc-ep.php#IV. Good Works.](http://www.bookofconcord.org/fc-ep.php#IV. Good Works.)
IOW, the regenerate is bound (obligated) to do good works. Not to do so is sin, and continuing in sin without repentence ultimately leads to loss of faith, and therefore, salvation.
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JohnnyReb
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In the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Baptist body in the USA, there seem to be two schools of thought on OSAS.
One is called Eternal Security. In this line of thought, if a person believes and repents at any one time in their life, regardless of if they continue to believe, be a Christian, or persevere, they will go to heaven. Their salvation is secure, even if they committ apostasy. Dr Charles Stanley points out that our Christian service and how we live our lives determines our level of reward in heaven, that not all are rewarded the same way or at all in eternity.
The other is Lordship Salvation. In LS, as long as a believer continues to be faithful (continues to believe and serve the Lord), they will be saved. A believer’s salvation is secure unless they committ apostasy. If they committ apostasy, they will need to repent or they will not be saved.
LS accuse the Eternal Security crowd of antinomianism. The ES crowd accuses the LS crowd of teaching salvation by works. But they are united on the fact that the believer is secure.
One is called Eternal Security. In this line of thought, if a person believes and repents at any one time in their life, regardless of if they continue to believe, be a Christian, or persevere, they will go to heaven. Their salvation is secure, even if they committ apostasy. Dr Charles Stanley points out that our Christian service and how we live our lives determines our level of reward in heaven, that not all are rewarded the same way or at all in eternity.
The other is Lordship Salvation. In LS, as long as a believer continues to be faithful (continues to believe and serve the Lord), they will be saved. A believer’s salvation is secure unless they committ apostasy. If they committ apostasy, they will need to repent or they will not be saved.
LS accuse the Eternal Security crowd of antinomianism. The ES crowd accuses the LS crowd of teaching salvation by works. But they are united on the fact that the believer is secure.
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Anna_Scott
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Jon,
Thanks for the link. I did read it. Very interesting. This is similar to the Episcopal view; but then isn’t there a reciprocal agreement between Lutheran and Episcopal in regards to Confirmation?
I may have to purchase The Book of Concord for my studies.
Anna
Well, there are a couple of communion statements betweem (some) Anglicans and (some) Lutherans. In Europe there is the Porvoo Communion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvoo_Communion
And in America there is Called to Common Mission between the Episcopal Church, and the ELCA.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Called_to_Common_Mission
Neither of these is universal for Anglicans or Lutherans.
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Anna_Scott
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Jon,
Interesting. Come to think of it, I think one of my Episcopal friends said she did not have to go through Confirmation when she came from the Lutheran Church. She was “Received.” Does that sound right? Actually, I think I had a conversation about this on a thread awhile back. I need to keep my info straight, so I’m not repeating questions. What can I say, life is busy; and sometimes my memory takes a holiday.
Anna
I think you are right. I recall in my ELCA days, not long after the CCM, my wife and I considered joining the Episcopal Church, as we were involved in the k-6 school they had, and were more often attending Church there than at our Lutheran parish. My recollection is that not much more than reception would have been necessary, but we never proceeded beyond conversations with the Rector, so I’m not positive.Jon,
Interesting. Come to think of it, I think one of my Episcopal friends said she did not have to go through Confirmation when she came from the Lutheran Church. She was “Received.” Does that sound right? Actually, I think I had a conversation about this on a thread awhile back. I need to keep my info straight, so I’m not repeating questions. What can I say, life is busy; and sometimes my memory takes a holiday.
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mark_a
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Sounds like a Protestant purgatory to me.
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Anna_Scott
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Jon,
I’d say you are much better off where you are, with all the controversy, not only in TEC, but now in the Church of England. I’m about at my “wit’s end.”
Anna
See Thread link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=473680
I guess, if you have one nearby, you could look into an ACA parish. But Lutherans have no room to talk.
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Anna_Scott
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Well, Jon, I really don’t know what to say. How did finding a home within Christendom become so difficult? I do understand why Catholics point to the confusion and numerous beliefs within Protestantism. I’m really feeling the effects of that confusion, and the sea of voices, all shouting something different.I guess, if you have one nearby, you could look into an ACA parish. But Lutherans have no room to talk.
Jon
My apologies to the OP for veering off topic.
I seem to do that a lot.Anna
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