Baptist Church Sex Abuse/Pedophilia

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The news uncovered by the Houston Chronicle of the problems in the Baptist Church was not covered like the news in the Catholic Church.

Why is the Media biased? Is it b/c we have more property, political force, money? Either way it is biased.

Should society put proportionately as much pressure on the Baptists as it does on the Catholics in order to get them to reform how it uses its resources?
 
Do you consider the baptist Church and Catholic Church equal?
 
When one Catholic Church parish spent previously set aside thousands to update it’s 200 year old rectory, the media went crazy with a sex abuse lawsuit against the parish. Unfortunately, for the plaintiff, the suit was years past the statute of limitations deadline.
 
Where I live the media is not nearly as aggressive toward the Catholic Church as it should be. That they are not aggressive towards the baptist Church matters very little to me at all.
 
So, you are o.k. with people leaving the Catholic Church due to the Media’s biased coverage?
 
That is a mis-understanding of the issue. The media should be unbiased. The media in the sex abuse scandal seems to be on the side of the angels most of the time. And people should not leave the Church because of a media presentation. The Church has had to resign itself to being policed by the media, by law enforcement and by government. As is the case in Chile, and Australia it is the media that has driven justice. It is the media that brings things into the light that the Church cannot or will not. God bless law enforcement and God bless the media.
 
Bon_Croix . . .
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Because our enemies are powers and principalities (fallen angels. Our enemies are demonic).

And the Catholic Church is the One True Church that Jesus founded. (I know YOU know this Bon_Croix. I have seen your fine posts. But I say this for the benefit of “lurkers” that may come here and read.)

So demonic forces will hit especially hard against the “real deal”.

God bless.

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EPHESIANS 6:10-13 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
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Because the Catholic Church is well known and has an international structure all the way up to one man.

The Baptist Church is hundreds of individual congregations that have little if nothing to do with one another, other than a yearly convention of preachers where they vote what they think doctrine should be next year. It is also a fairly regional church compared to the Catholic Church. For example, there are at least 4 “First Baptist Church” ‘s in my town. I have no idea how they adjudicate that. :man_shrugging:t2:
 
I understand that the Baptists aren’t as centralized, but that really isn’t an excuse.
 
I know that evil spirits are involved, but people are making the decisions of what to publish.

Why is every publisher in the Associated Press blasting against the Catholics when the evidence shows that the Baptists probably have the same or worse problem? Why the blind eye towards Baptists?
 
Bon_Croix . . .
I know that evil spirits are involved, but people are making the decisions of what to publish.
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True enough Bon_Croix
Why is every publisher in the Associated Press blasting against the Catholics when the evidence shows that the Baptists probably have the same or worse problem? Why the blind eye towards Baptists?
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It is my opinion that they are blind and despite the rhetoric, care little about children (just like they care little about pre-born children too).

Sin blinds everybody to a certain extent, you and I included.

But many in the media, have a propensity for sins of sexual deviancy.

There is a preponderance of that sin there and so we see an especially darkened intellect in the areas of sexuality.

You can hear Pat Coffin give figures on it. I’m pretty sure he talks about it (“it” being the disproportionate amount of people who suffer from homosexual disorders in the media) in his interview with Milo.


There are reasons for this disproportionate amount but I won’t get into what I think those are in this thread. Only that it exists.

Their own personal sin, devastates them with regards to vision and behavior regarding sexual deviancy and a vicious cycle ensues.

Why can they “see it” concerning the Catholic Church then?

Because the deeper purpose is not so much to help children but to hurt the Church.

You see the same phenomenon with lawmakers sometimes too.

That is WHY for example the law makers will turn back statute-of-limitations laws selectively for the Catholic Church, but exempt public schools from the same roll-back.

(“Hey! What about “concern for the kids” and all of that??”)

But their inspiration to hurt truth (Jesus is Truth and the Church speaks for Jesus on earth and is intimately united to Jesus, despite having been infiltrated right now in time in a way we’ve all starkly seen over the past several years) comes from their proverbial earthly fathers (their forerunners) . . .

(See Luke 6:23-26, Matthew 5:12, Acts 7:52, John 5:42-43, and elsewhere.)

. . . and their spiritual father the devil.

(See Genesis 3:15 for a contrast, also see John 8:38 and 8:44 for an example of a few people who follow after “their father” in this sense, Matthew 12:34, Matthew 13:38, Acts 13:10, and 1st John 3:8-10).
 
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I think you are trying not to use the phrase “Freemasons are the reason for the bias”. So, I’ll do it for you. I believe Freemasons are the reason for the bias.
 
I never said it’s a good reason. But it is much easier and much juicer to paint sexual abuse as the product of a nefarious international cabal by tying it to an international church than it is to do so with every unaffiliated individual “First Baptist Church of ”, “ Baptist Church”, where the congregation hires its own preachers.
 
The Baptist church is not nearly universal (catholic) and and international. It does not have a city state. It is not exclusively us based but close to it. The Catholic Church has worldwide systemic abuse and cover ups extending well into the last century… the sheer scope and breadth of the scandal in the Catholic Church far eclipses anything we have ever seen

So it’s kinda newsworthy
 
But the reasons that are given for the Catholic Church’s scandal are specifically that it’s because priests abuse children because ‘they can’t get married’. In the Baptist church though, pastors DO get married.

I think perhaps people get upset, not that evil is brought out (which is good), but that evil is wrongly attributed to a certain group based on an incorrect assumption, and then another group does the same evil, but doesn’t have that ‘assumption’, the second group’s abuse is downplayed or ignored.
 
Reasons given by whom? We can argue about reasons all day. Married priest, homosexuality, the sexual revolution, secrecy and power, clericalism… our two popes cant seem to nail down the reason why should the media he held to a higher standard?
 
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My kids are Catholic. Not Baptist, not public school kids, not boy scouts, not anything else that people point to as other abuse situations. I give two rats tails if the media reports or treats a Baptist abuse situation equally. The Church, (Catholic) is the only way for my children and myself to be saved. It’s the single driving force in our lives. It is also the biggest danger. I dont mind the media picking up on that.
 
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Wait. You’re not addressing what I said. I know this topic is a real hot button for you --you aren’t alone-- but please, help me out here. I thought I was pretty clear.

A. Even though it is incorrect according to medical experts that celibacy leads to abuse of children, this is a charge against priests of the Catholic Church that has been expressed, continues to be expressed, and has now passed into one of those, "everybody KNOWS this is true’ beliefs by the average person, that “Catholic clergy abuse kids because they can’t get married and have normal sex.”
B. In the Baptist Church, the pastors can and do marry.
C. Yet, Baptist pastors abuse children as much or more statistically than do Catholic priests.
D. The abuse in the Baptist church has been covered up just as much or more than it has in the Catholic Church.
E. Yet, the average person will not hear about this, or about the incredibly high numbers of children abused in public schools, the scouts, or their own parents. . .a much higher number of abuses than in the Catholic Church or indeed any church.
F. In fact, the media will go to great pains to play down abuse in any of the above places because all of those ‘groups’ are able to get married and have normal sex, and so logically speaking, that would throw out the whole charge that “Catholic priests abuse because they can’t have normal married sex”.
G. Therefore, it is actually supporting you and all who wish the sex abuse scandal to be addressed and reformed to point out that incorrect assumptions and charges are being brought against ONE GROUP and downplayed and ignored in other groups.
H. The reason it is important to bring out the above is that if people erroneously believe that all the fault is in the Catholic Church and its ‘unmarried priests’, then the real root causes of sexual abuse of children will never be properly addressed, and the scandal and abuse will continue on, because the other groups who abuse won’t even be considered as part of the problem. If a male claims abuse, it will be a ‘one time’ case and the media if it responds at all will claim that the abused boy has gender dysphoria or something. Wait and see.
I. Above all this is yet another attack on marriage and the family.
 
A. Ok that is your opinion and I agree with it. But to assign the entire media this motive is wrong. The media likes this narrative because it makes sense to them. It does not make sense to us. So what.
B Ok. And that Church is minuscule compared to the Catholic Church.
C Says you or anyone that agrees with you. Fact is we don’t have a clue how many priests in our own faith abuse. Look at Chile…
D. Nope They don’t have the numbers or the power structure to even come close.
E. Who cares?
F In your opinion this is why. And you may be right for some.
G Nope.
H Some people believe that. And many Catholics believe that. I don’t and you dont.
I The attack is the abuse. Not the selective reporting of it.

The media is a large group. You are lumping in many people with levels of ignorance and motives as all having the same motive. You are wrong.

Pointing to other abuse scares me as a Catholic. Because it shows a huge lack of acknowledgement of our own Crisis. IF I have to hear one more time how others do it too or that it all happened a long time ago or there are steps taken to help now… blah blah blah I’m going to scream!

The Church is the biggest news target because it is the single biggest entity. Period.

I’m not sure how educated you are about the abuse in the Catholic Church but it is systemic and different than other abuse cases in other systems. You would do well to acknowledge that.

Again. I DO NOT fault the media for what you perceive as unfair weight. If it wasn’t for the media many victims would still be being abused. (in fact many are) but the media is the driving force here on the bringing to light of this issue. Media and law enforcement are doing what the Church would/could not.
 
We’ll have to disagree then.
First, I did not say that the abuse was not the main problem. Selective reporting of abuse is a problem, though. We need not sweep it under the rug as if because it’s a lesser problem, it is not a problem at all.
Of course the media is a large group, and of course there are many motives. The result, however, is the same whether or not the individual motive of a person was the same as the individual motive of another and another et al.

I think that you are scared when other abuse is noted that it means that Catholics ‘are not acknowledging their own faults’, but that is your perception, not necessarily the case.

People are not saying, "others did it too, so we aren’t so bad’.
People ARE saying, “Others did it too. We need to address all the abuse and not just pretend it only happens in one place”.

Seriously, it’s a both-and, not an either-or. It’s not, “Address the Church because it is (according to you) the worst offender, and don’t even mention anybody else until you are 100% pure”,

It is, "Make sure to address all the abuses, knowing that as a Catholic you are going to find the charges against the Catholics most personally hateful because YOU are a Catholic. Likewise, a Baptist is going to find the charges against Baptists most personally hateful because they’re Baptists, etc. etc. But if you don’t acknowledge this is universal, you are going to have not just Catholics convinced that they are the ‘major star abusers’ (and everybody non-Catholic glad to agree and to ignore their own plank), you’re going to have all the non-Catholics believing that there isn’t a problem anywhere else.
 
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