Baptist Perversion.

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1ke said:
1 Corinthians 7: The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife,and likewise the wife toward her husband. A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife. Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to
one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack
of self-control.

From Casti Connubii, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI on marriage:
  1. The second blessing of matrimony which We said was mentioned by St. Augustine, is the blessing of conjugal honor which consists in the mutual fidelity of the spouses in fulfilling the marriage contract, so that what belongs to one of the parties by reason of this contract sanctioned by divine law, **may not be denied to him or permitted to any third person; nor may there be conceded to one of the parties **anything which, being contrary to the rights and laws of God and entirely opposed to matrimonial faith, can never be conceded.
  2. By this same love it is necessary that all the other rights and duties of the marriage state be regulated as the words of the Apostle: “Let the husband render the debt to the wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband,”[28] express not only a law of justice but of charity
From Canon Law:
Impotence is a Canon Law impediment to marriage and it is an impediment because an impotent person cannot undertake their marital duty— “pay the marriage debt” as it is commonly known. See Aquinas in the Summa Theologica for an explanation of the marriage debt:

newadvent.org/summa/5058.htm
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Fine, I don’t know though, it still bothers me. But if the Church says it, I will not question.
 
1ke said:
What about it bothers you?

Perhaps reading all of Casti Connubii, which is a wonderful encyclical on Marriage, will help you.
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It just seemed like to me one member could push the other one around and pressure them to have relations when they didn’t want to. i.e. they were to tired, sick, busy with work, ect.
 
holdencaulfield said:
It just seemed like to me one member could push the other one around and pressure them to have relations when they didn’t want to. i.e. they were to tired, sick, busy with work, ect.
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Well, that’s why the Church does NOT take passages out of context or in isolation.

Yes it is absolutely true that we are not to withhold the marital embrace without reason. However, if they are sick or under duress that is not without reason. And, the Church also recognizees what St. Paul says in another part of Scripture (Ephesians 5): “husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her.”

So, a spouse who pressures the other into relations when there is a REAL reason for abstaining is NOT loving in the sacrificial manner that Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her.

So, yes, spouses have a very real debt to each other that is established in the marriage covenant. But, it is not without any limit and it must also be subordinate to Christ and his commandment to love one another as he loves us-- sacrificially. And, that sacrifice goes **both **ways.

Really, read Casti Connubii.
 
1ke said:
Well, that’s why the Church does NOT take passages out of context or in isolation.

Yes it is absolutely true that we are not to withhold the marital embrace without reason. However, if they are sick or under duress that is not without reason. And, the Church also recognizees what St. Paul says in another part of Scripture (Ephesians 5): “husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her.”

So, a spouse who pressures the other into relations when there is a REAL reason for abstaining is NOT loving in the sacrificial manner that Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her.

So, yes, spouses have a very real debt to each other that is established in the marriage covenant. But, it is not without any limit and it must also be subordinate to Christ and his commandment to love one another as he loves us-- sacrificially. And, that sacrifice goes **both **ways.

Really, read Casti Connubii.
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Oh ok, I guess it makes more sense to me now.
 
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