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I was reading up on Mother teresa and found this little doozy

www.wayoflife.org/fbns/motherteresa.html
It started out ok, saying that indeed mother Teresa was a good Christian did many good thing even hinted she was saint like. Then WHAM they sprouted into their usal false teachings of the Church, the anti Christ pope type things these people always seem to spew out. What is it with these so called christians? they can’t even talk about a woman who devouted her life to Christ and the service of the poor without going into some rabid rant about the Church.truely these people are clearly mentaly unstable
 
Frankly, your thread seems unnecessary to me. This is a negative, anti-Catholic bit of nonsense from the internet that probably not one of us would have come across if you hadn’t have posted a link to it here.

So, someone out of the 5 billion people on the planet Earth thinks mother Teresa is not a Christian, and says some other ridiculous things about her. Yes, there are people who believe false things about our Church and it’s very negative and sad. Calling their mental stabilty into question doesn’t help, IMO.
 
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spiritblows:
Frankly, your thread seems unnecessary to me. This is a negative, anti-Catholic bit of nonsense from the internet that probably not one of us would have come across if you hadn’t have posted a link to it here.

So, someone out of the 5 billion people on the planet Earth thinks mother Teresa is not a Christian, and says some other ridiculous things about her. Yes, there are people who believe false things about our Church and it’s very negative and sad. Calling their mental stabilty into question doesn’t help, IMO.
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If only it were 1 person out of 5 billion, but it’s not. And it’s not just rabid anti-Catholic Fundamentalist who are trashing Mother Teresa and the Church. It’s also rabidly anti-Catholic secularists. The ironic thing is that neither group would want to be associated with the other in any way whatsoever. But, they have a common cause in their hatred of the Church and of those who have faithfully served it. It’s a sad reality with live with in this world of sin and death.
 
This thread isn’t all that unnecessary. It is good to ‘know your enemy’ instead of just pretending that there are no anti-Catholics out there. Altough, thing is I reckon pretty much everyone on this forum knows there are anti-Catholics around. But this thread also serves a second purpose, a cathartic one. Gives us another chance to vent out our frustration about those @%^#%$&&* anti-Catholics, and in doing this it brings us who are united against the enemy closer together.
 
The modus of evil is to twist the truth, nudge it one degree off and pass it off as true. Again, no surprises here, the wiser would notice a contradiction in this. It is no surprise also that the church that Christ established whom St. Paul calls his “Bride” will always be attacked and misrepresented to people so that even though they are attracted to it, they are repelled by what they’ve been told it is. So, in Mother Teresa’s case, this is classic anti-catholic twisting of the lives of the saints. To place it out of context and to discredit the apparent truth. Do we not see the same pattern through history: misrepresentation of the Inquisition, Opus Dei, etc. etc. ad nauseum?

Of the 700 plus houses that Mother Teresa built and the thousands of nuns that have taken this charism of chastity, poverty and obedience; for the sole purpose of serving the suffering the body of the Lord, one has to question, who is crazy, the nun who started it or the critic?

in XT.
 
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misterX:
. Then WHAM they sprouted into their usal false teachings of the Church, the anti Christ pope type things these gimps always seem to spew out.
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I don’t see why you feel a need to denegrate handicap persons to get back at insensitive baptists.
 
Actually, I catagorize these types of sites as fringe curiosities of a laughable nature. It’s on the level of Jack Chick and company. I personally find Jack Chick entertaining. I have an interesting collection of such sites on my favorites list. This link is actually rather mild compared to some of the wild-eyed stuff available online. There is one anti-Catholic site that is incredibly extensive, with weird sound effects and graphics that is quite a sociological peek into a facinating religious sub-culture!

If one grew up in a part of the country where this type of thinking is the norm, and was taught early on that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, then it’s really hard to help them see the light. They are invincibly ignorant, IMO.
 
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spiritblows:
Actually, I catagorize these types of sites as fringe curiosities of a laughable nature. It’s on the level of Jack Chick and company. I personally find Jack Chick entertaining. I have an interesting collection of such sites on my favorites list. This link is actually rather mild compared to some of the wild-eyed stuff available online. There is one anti-Catholic site that is incredibly extensive, with weird sound effects and graphics that is quite a sociological peek into a facinating religious sub-culture!

If one grew up in a part of the country where this type of thinking is the norm, and was taught early on that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, then it’s really hard to help them see the light. They are invincibly ignorant, IMO.
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The only problem with seeing these people and their bigotry laughable is that it won’t be so funny when the religious bigots and the secular bigots join forces to have Catholics declared dangerous to society and dragged off to concentration camps and then to mass executions. If anyone thinks it can’t happen let’s remember Germany and the Jews. And if anyone thinks it can’t happen in America just remember the Japanese-Americans and WWII. Or the Blacks who were lynched if they got “uppity.”

We have to be constantly on guard against hate-filled lies going unchecked because those who are passive are the ones who become scapegoats when things go bad. And if anyone thinks nothing bad could happen to Catholics in America just remember the No-nothings and their persecution of Catholics during the immigration of the Irish Catholics, who couldn’t find work or couldn’t get life insurance, if they did find work. St. Elizabeth Ann Seton was herself was injured by a mob of anti-Catholic bigots who attacked her parish after Mass one day. Oh yes, it could happen and it could happen right here.
 
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Della:
We have to be constantly on guard against hate-filled lies going unchecked because those who are passive are the ones who become scapegoats when things go bad. And if anyone thinks nothing bad could happen to Catholics in America just remember the No-nothings and their persecution of Catholics during the immigration of the Irish Catholics, who couldn’t find work or couldn’t get life insurance, if they did find work. St. Elizabeth Ann Seton was herself was injured by a mob of anti-Catholic bigots who attacked her parish after Mass one day. Oh yes, it could happen and it could happen right here.
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And people tell me this is such a great country.
 
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Pentecost2005:
And people tell me this is such a great country.
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It IS a great a country, but like any society of flawed human beings it is going to have its dark moments in history. Anyone who truly loves his country has to admit it is true or he is only loving his country from a false sense of sentimentality instead for all the good things it has and all the good things it can be.

We must be ever vigilant against fear, bigotry, and hatred in order to keep it a great country. I feel it only right to point out that our great country allows the killing of innocent children in the womb and the euthanizing of our elderly and infirm. Actions that would have been abhorrent crimes only a generation ago. Any country can slide into apostasy and grave sin. It’s up to us to bring our country back from the deeps of death and selfishness, which is taking and going to take much hard work, time, and prayer, prayer, prayer.
 
You know, I visit some conserative message boards (I’m a little conserative and a little liberal in some areas in politics) and post from time to time and there is a bit of an anti-Catholic bias. They don’t have very good opinions on us. I said I was and kept my mouth shut when they were talking about us because I wasn’t quite ready to defend the faith.

They’re free to have their opinion, but they don’t understand Catholicism. They think the anti-Catholic material is true!

Try www.theamericanright.com and see their Religion Section.

You make a lot of good points Della.
 
I once belonged on such a board as well, as I had a different definition of “conservative”. When I realized I wasn’t quite as “conservative” as they were I would have left until I saw their hatred for anything Catholic.

This is where I met Sir Knight… He was defending the faith… ultimately, because of our Catholic views we were both banned from the site… which was a relief to me in the long run.
 
quote: Flopfoot,
Gives us another chance to vent out our frustration about those @%^#%%4$samp;&* anti-Catholics, and in doing this it brings us who are united against the enemy closer together.
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“And I say to you, forgive your enemy; do good to those
who speak all mannner of evil against you…and in this way
you will be like your Father in heaven…” [paraphrase]

I’m all for accurately stating Catholic teaching, if it is
distorted by another.
“Forgive” doesn’t abrogate the obligation to “defend”
[state correctly] RC theology - I realize that.

Still, I think Mother Teresa would be the first to
forgive [and ask Christ to forgive] those who would
speak ill of the faith she witnessed, by her charity.

I’ve seen the same type thing, elsewhere. Faint
praise of her, followed by some distortion of
Catholic thought. The first flash of angry irritation,
however, is followed more by a sense of sadness,
than anger.

But then, I stop and think. Her witness was so
powerful, that she cannot be ignored, by those
who do not share the faith, or by those who would seek
to “use” her- as a vehicle - to score some kind of
denominational “victory.”

How utterly, utterly sad. For even from a Christian
point of view - *regardless *of theological position -
I would think that, the point to be made, might rather
be,
“Those who are not against us, are for us.”

and that, therefore, her witness to Christ’s charity,
would be applauded - rather than “used” -as a
vehicle to enhance any denominational claim.

Finally, I think of Christ saying:

If this is the way they treated Me, don’t be taken
by surprise, when you are similarly treated. [paraphrase]

I guess viewing this kind of thing as* absurb*, on it’s
merits, tends to evoke sadness in me, after the
first flash of anger [and, yes, even momentary ‘outrage.’]

But then I think of some of Christ’s contemporaries,
suggesting that His miracles were produced through
Beelzebub ! {Matt:12: 22-29]

usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew12.htm

“Can a house, divided against itself…”

Viewed thru this lens, absurdity is not limited to
our own time.

reen 12 :tiphat:
 
You know, the more I read, study and pray, the more I realize that we are just as responsible for the anti catholic propaganda as the writers of those lies. Before you all jump on me, please listen. How many times have we heard this stuff but did not call people on it? I know I am guilty of it. Why? Because we didn’t know what to say, because we didn’t think it was worthy of our effort to reply? Or was it that we have just become complacent and this is what we expect from others? We are guilty of not doing our best to educate, explain, and probably most importantly, pray for these folks. In our society today we hear all kinds of preposterous things from all sorts of people, when we know something is untrue so many of us just dismiss it and continue on our merry little lives. But there are people out there that are affected by our actions as well as our inactions. We have to gently and graciously correct people that make comments that we know are false. As usual, I have a few suggestions for these encounters:
  1. Be gracious but firm
  2. Study your own faith so that you know how to respond
  3. Trust in God, he will give you the answers (but you should do the footwork)
  4. It is ok to place the burden of proof on the other person instead of yourself (they are the ones making the claims afterall, make them prove it).
  5. When they get hateful, remind them that we are all children of God and as such our dad wouldn’t appreciate how they are treating you (I love this one)
  6. Do your best to keep your cool…they aren’t going to answer your questions directly but that doesn’t mean that you should give up…perserverance is a virtue!
  7. Don’t be afraid of them, there isn’t anything to be afraid of…Trust in God!
Sometimes you know that the person you are talking to isn’t going to listen no matter what you say…think of it like a teenager, we think they aren’t listening but years later it may sink in.

Sometimes you aren’t really speaking to the person that has made the anti catholic comment but rather to those that may be silently observing and deciding (very true on forums like these).

If you silently stand by and allow people to be mislead…are you not just as guilty as the one that is misleading?
 
I grew up in a Baptist church and I can tell you that the “test” for salvation is “When did you accept Christ as your personal Savior?” If you can name a place and a date, you are “saved.” It matters not what you did after that. You were saved forever as they definitely believe in eternal security. Accepting Christ involves saying the “sinner’s prayer,” and if you “went forward” in public, that is even better. I actually was in a service once where the minister said that if you couldn’t name a date and time, you weren’t saved!

“Thanks to God for my Redeemer”
 
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Marquette:
I grew up in a Baptist church and I can tell you that the “test” for salvation is “When did you accept Christ as your personal Savior?” If you can name a place and a date, you are “saved.” It matters not what you did after that. You were saved forever as they definitely believe in eternal security. Accepting Christ involves saying the “sinner’s prayer,” and if you “went forward” in public, that is even better. I actually was in a service once where the minister said that if you couldn’t name a date and time, you weren’t saved!

“Thanks to God for my Redeemer”
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That is the experience that my husband has (Batholic…we are getting somewhere 😃 )

That one date is so all important…it is amazing to me, because the date of his baptism is completely unknown…no records kept!

The amazing thing to me:

Sinner’s prayer = most important / not Biblical
Baptism into the body of Christ = unimportant / Biblical
 
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