We are saved by Christ. I don’t know what he/she is talking about.
Rev Kevin is correct. We are all saved through Christ. We Catholics (and most Protestants) use tools that aid in our salvation. The most common item is the Sacrament of Baptism. (Some Protestants just do this much later than others.)
Sad to see such a poor understanding of what the CC teaches. This is a old attack that I my self used to believe and promote when I walked among those ranks. My study of the CC and prayer won that over though. What type of forum is this. I would like to visit it first hand.
You can view it, but, I don’t think you can register. I think that’s what prompted all this in the first place, a person from here went there because he/she wanted to clear up some Catholic teaching, but, if one puts, “Catholic” as their religion, it’s an automatic and pre-eminate ban, if one puts anything else to get on the board, it makes all Catholics look like liars. Like I said, somebody from this forum went over there and it was a flame war. He (She?) was considered a troll. At this forum (from what I have read, I have never been), there’s a lot of Catholic bashing, but, there’s no way to appropriately respond without being hated on and then kicked off.
There is one ‘non-Catholic’ forum that allows Catholics, but it also allows Catholics to be called names and responded too in the most vile ‘un-charitable’ manner. If a Catholic complains to the moderators, they will respond that we have to understand that they don’t consider Catholics as Christians.
Kalt, you need to understand that Baptists don’t believe in sacraments at all. They do not believe graces are conferred through the sacraments. The only way to receive grace (singular not plural) is through faith in Jesus Christ. So if someone says he does believe in sacraments, the Baptist will assume that this person relies on them for salvation. Relying on anything other than Christ for salvation is wrong, we can all agree, So the Baptist will say that “papal” doctrine teaches a false pathway to salvation. I realize there are flaws in this logic but it pretty well sums up the thinking you are asking about.
It was I that tried. It isn’t worth it. At least for now, some shred of truth about what we believe has been posted there. To further do so, may be seen as attacks. It was not my wish to aggravate them over there, but it sure did. If you do go, be very very prepared.
The poster on those forums was saying that Catholics don’t believe we are saved by Christ, that we are saved through the sacraments. It wasn’t a general statement of how we are saved, but one of what he thinks Catholics believe. He has stated he was Catholic once, but if that is the case, his mother/father, and his Church failed him miserably. We should pray for his soul right now, instead of invade him with other information. Seeds were planted, although I admit on sandy ground.
There’s another board?
Baptists (generally speaking) do not understand our belief that Christ works through the Sacraments. They thus put Christ and the Sacraments at odds with each other. It is because they can’t get their heads around the idea of God using tangible things as a conduit for His Grace that they think we believe the Sacraments save us apart from Christ.
I see my wife take the sacraments at the parish we attend and I think that those tools in the Catholic toolbox are amazing. They seem to really add depth to her spirituality. And you are right about that BB forum, considering that a moderator had this to say about a BB member that converted from Baptist to Catholic:
Well said, Pixie Dust. That is as succinct a post as I have read in a long time.Baptists (generally speaking) do not understand our belief that Christ works through the Sacraments. They thus put Christ and the Sacraments at odds with each other. It is because they can’t get their heads around the idea of God using tangible things as a conduit for His Grace that they think we believe the Sacraments save us apart from Christ.
There is also their erroneous belief that “getting saved” is a one-time done deal when they have a particular conversion experience. They believe that a person who is convicted of their sins, believes that Jesus died on the cross for them, and asks Jesus to forgive them and come into their hearts is THE one moment in their lives when they “get saved.” Both of the Sacraments (ordinances, they’re called) that they do practice - baptism and communion - are just symbolic gestures and have no spiritual benefit.
Now, Baptists will differ on whether one can forfeit that salvation (Free Will Baptists do not adhere to OSAS), but as far as I know Baptists don’t believe that salvation is a journey we’re on our entire lives, and isn’t completed until we arrive in Heaven.
What they call “papal doctrine” is actually “Jesus doctrine” but you can’t tell them that.
That quote probably sums up all that is wrong with the Catholic discussions on the BB board - ignorance of the facts.
Aw, thanks.
I was very Baptist for 13 years (age 19-32) and so I know Baptist thinking pretty well.