Baptist Vs Catholicism

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Alright Catholics! I need some help! I have a Baptist coworker and today we got into a discussion regarding religion. He was explaining that the Baptist view of salvation is that you need to only be saved once by excepting Jesus into your heart and professing him as your personal Lord and Savior, and no matter what do you do in life, your salvation can never be taken away from you.

How should we as Catholics go about refuting this using scripture?
 
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So as long as I except Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, I have carte blanche to do whatever I want in life? Come on, I think God holds us as Christians to a much higher standard than that.
 
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So as long as I except Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, I have carte blanche to do whatever I want in life? Come on, I think God holds us as Christians to a much higher standard than that.
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To be fair this is not how most OSAS people would characterize their position.

Peace!!!
 
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The fallback for the OSAS point of view is the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy. Watch for it.
 
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So as long as I except Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, I have carte blanche to do whatever I want in life? Come on, I think God holds us as Christians to a much higher standard than that.
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And it’s “accept”, not “except”.

(Sorry to be the grammar/spelling police, but the confusion of those two words is particularly annoying to me, since they are opposite in meaning.)
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This is a debate that goes back 500 years. I don’t think throwing Catholic doctrine and quotes from scripture around will work now if they haven’t for the last half millennium.
 
So what of it. It might not work to convince an atheist or non Catholic Christian. Nothing will convince some or most of them. But to see all the Biblical support strengthens Catholics’ faith. Last time I checked the name of this forum was Catholics Answers.
 
My point is merely that if you’re going to debate the nature of salvation with a Protestant, it’s likely to be largely fruitless. Wars were fought over it, and it did not avail many converts on either side.
 
Yes from my experience I agree. It’s mostly a waste of time. In saying that some are converted. Now whether they are converted by Catholics debating with them or other reasons I guess depends on the individual.
 
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I am seldom asked whether I’m saved, but for the next guy who does ask, I have come up with what I think is a pretty solid reply:

“Frequently!”
 
If he’s using Scripture to try and support his view, what good will only quoting Scripture do, since he’s already convinced that he’s correct? Rather, he needs to be shown that his interpretation is incorrect, and how can we find out who has the right one? You need to show him that Scripture can’t be separated from Tradition, that neither can be separated from the Magisterium, and that all of these are found in the Church. In other words, you need to challenge his concept of authority.

Who has authority? Was it Simon Peter, or Simon Magus? Is it the Church which calls itself katholikos, which finds its root in Jesus (with 2,000 years of apostolic succession as proof)? Or is it the church which calls itself baptist, with figures such as John Smith at its root?
 
Have him explain 2 Corinthians 5 to you. Paul exhorted existing converted Christians to “be reconciled to God!”
 
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My point is merely that if you’re going to debate the nature of salvation with a Protestant, it’s likely to be largely fruitless. Wars were fought over it, and it did not avail many converts on either side.
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You might want to check your references on this one. Last year USCCB ran an article, not sure how to get to it now, that gave statistics of adults coming into the church. The total # was over 30k just in the US. This # did included those seeking baptism as well as confirmation but the statistics were broke down by sacramental groups for distinction. Also, if you spend a few minutes in a RCIA setting you will most likely get a better grasp of the “why”.

Peace!!!
 
Which division of Baptist? There are many branches, with different beliefs.
 
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How should we as Catholics go about refuting this using scripture?
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First of all, I am not sure that this is a correct interpretation of what Baptists believe. It is more along the lines that if you accept Jesus, you will do the right thing. If you do wrong, it means that your are not accepting Him fully.
Secondly, there is a Baptist college nearby here and I have occasion to visit it and see what is going on as far as different events, plays, etc. open to the public. What I see in this Baptist college are decent, uplifting Christian plays and events which promote good Christian values. There is also a Roman Catholic college nearby. Unfortunately what I see there are filthy plays and drag festivals where men are dressed as women. Also, at another Catholic college, , there is a college professor in good standing who says that Jesus was a drag king with queer desires. You don’t find that at this Baptist college.

 
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