I’m personally asking you how you interpret the passage in which Jesus asks the children to come to Him. What is happening in that passage? That’s what I am asking. That answer would be in addition to the ongoing question of where in the Bible we are told the proper age for baptism.
Including Irenaeus? Or are you not familiar with the individual names of some of the Early Church Fathers?
No, anytime your tradition tells you that rituals and works are required for salvation, that is contradicting scripture.
The Bible was written as the Holy Spirit moved on the hearts of God’s men and women to record His word.
You’re absolutely right. I can’t say that the Bible says so. Of course, I can’t say that the Bible says that the B-2 bomber uses technology to jam enemy radar, either.
As I’ve explained to you several times now, that passage is irrelevant to this conversation because it has nothing to do with baptism of church membership.
And that is relevant to the practice of Christianity how? Although I agree with one thing, B-2 bombers are a later invention not known in the early days of Christianity just like the Baptist faith. So, if your point is that new inventions are not featured in the Bible, I agree. The new invention of the Baptist faiths in not in the Bible.
Did the holy Spirit move anybody to put together the collection of books?
I don’t recall saying anything about apostolic succession.
You are avoiding the obvious answer because it does not support your church’s teachings on baptism:
My point was that neither can be found in the Bible because neither existed at that time.
So then, you don’t believe that the New Testament is part of the Bible?
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
23 In the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim of olive wood, each ten cubits [l] high. 24 One wing of the first cherub was five cubits long, and the other wing five cubits—ten cubits from wing tip to wing tip. 25 The second cherub also measured ten cubits, for the two cherubim were identical in size and shape. 26 The height of each cherub was ten cubits. 27 He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room. 28 He overlaid the cherubim with gold.
If you do not recognize the “habit” of Catholics to look to the pope and early Church Fathers (those who were bishops) then you do not understand the concept of Apostolic Succession. I think this is another example of poor catechesis; a large reason why many ex-Catholics left the faith.
You know very well that the Catholic Church does not teach these things. Don’t go there my friend. You are beginning to tread a very uncharitable road.
No, I’m ignoring it because it’s a straw man.
Baptism doesn’t bring anybody to Jesus. It’s a symbolic act by which they express that they already belong to Jesus.
What’s to acknowledge? None of those verses say that children were baptised.
The heart of this issue is that NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that infants cannot be baptised, but yet you claim they can’t. THAT is a man-made doctrine developed several 100’s of years after Christians had already been baptising infants. The baptism of people is the fulfillment of an earlier “sacrament” (and I implore you to look into the true meaning of sacrament) known as circumcision. The FULFILLMENT did not abandon infants. Just as the Jews were required to have their children circumsized, in proxy, and raise them in the faith with all partaking of the “rituals”, including passover, Christians are also required to do the same in fulfilled manner. Anybody who makes the ridiculous claim that infants and children should be seperated from the Christian rituals (yes, my friend your little baptism you hold so dear is a ritual
) and be allowed to make up their own minds when they get older is sickening and outright anti-Christian.
I’ve already been told by two people here, as well as several people on another message board, that there is no salvation outside of the rituals of the Roman Catholic church.You know very well that the Catholic Church does not teach these things. Don’t go there my friend. You are beginning to tread a very uncharitable road.
Where in the bible does it say that baptism is symbolic? Not one single line indicates such. Now you are burying yourself in man-made claims…claims that outright abandon and conradict Christ’s words
I agree. Neither B-2 bombers nor the Baptist faith existed in the early years of Christianity.
I believe in the New Testament. I also believe that the Baptist faiths did not exist until the 17th century.
THAT is a man-made doctrine developed several 100’s of years after Christians had already been baptising infants.
I’m sorry that you feel that sound Biblical teaching is sickening and anti-Christian.Anybody who makes the ridiculous claim that infants and children should be seperated from the Christian rituals (yes, my friend your little baptism you hold so dear is a ritual
well, unless of course John the Baptist was the first baptist pastor who left children and infants at the bank of the river to fend for themselves until they became 12 or 13.
Again I suggest you read the Catechism and consult with a priest on this matter.
"Jesus answered, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.’ " (John 3:5)