Baptist

[Eden]

12volt_man:

So says your pope. Not so says my God.

Yes, it is your God. Your version of what God said. You are your own pope.

 

[MrS]

12volt_man:

Really? So then they would have no problem with me taking communion there?

St Paul, IN SCRIPTURE, would say NO… you would be receiving in an unworthy manner… and the curse of the Body and Blodd of the Lord would be on you… pretty strong words for something you only consider “symbolic”

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

That’s rather tame compared to all of the Roman Catholics here who have come out of the woodwork to tell me that we’re not real Christians, cannot be saved, and are going to Hell.

Do you have anything else constructive to contribute or are you going to continue to pretend that you have not been treated well here in the absence of anything substantial to add?

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

According to the Bible, they are dead and contact with them is strictly forbidden.

Praying to saints is biblical.

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

Many Roman Catholics do.

Rather than using the vague “many Catholics do” angle, why not read what the Catechism says the Church teaches about Mary? If you have an argument against the Church teaching, then that would be a valid issue. Concerning yourself with what" many Catholics do" does not address what the Church teaches.

 

[12volt_man]

MrS:

St Paul, IN SCRIPTURE, would say NO… you would be receiving in an unworthy manner… and the curse of the Body and Blodd of the Lord would be on you… pretty strong words for something you only consider “symbolic”

But I wouldn’t be taking it in an unworthy manner. I’m saved, I’m right before God. There is no pattern of ongoing sin or rebellion in my life. I would be perfectly justified in taking communion, Biblically speaking.

 

[12volt_man]

Eden:

Praying to saints is biblical.

If it were Biblical, then it wouldn’t be condemned in the Bible.

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

But I wouldn’t be taking it in an unworthy manner. I’m saved, I’m right before God. There is no pattern of ongoing sin or rebellion in my life. I would be perfectly justified in taking communion, Biblically speaking.

Not according to the teachings in Church in which you would be receiving. Further, you do not accept the biblically grounded Transubstantiation.

 

[pro_universal]

I’m saved, I’m right before God. There is no pattern of ongoing sin or rebellion in my life.

Sure there is. Look at my post above regarding the Mother of Christ. You are denying a truth that, if you really had faith in Jesus, would be impossible to ignore. That’s ongoing rebellion, and it’s keeping you away from your own spiritual Mother…the one Jesus left for you.

 

[12volt_man]

Eden:

Do you have anything else constructive to contribute or are you going to continue to pretend that you have not been treated well here in the absence of anything substantial to add?

I guess being treated well is all relevant.

So far, I’ve been told that I’m a heretic, that I’m not a Christian, that I cannot be saved, that I’m going to Hell, and that I would not be treated as an equal in your church.

If that’s being “treated well”, I’d hate to see how you guys treat somebody you have it in for.

 

[12volt_man]

pro_universal:

Sure there is. Look at my post above regarding the Mother of Christ. You are denying a truth that, if you really had faith in Jesus, would be impossible to ignore. That’s ongoing rebellion, and it’s keeping you away from your own spiritual Mother…the one Jesus left for you.

You’ve got to be kidding. Mary is not my “spiritual mother” any more than the Man in the Moon.

There’s nothing in scripture that even remotely suggests such a thing.

 

[Lillith]

12volt_man:

She is a women. She has no divine power or authority. She holds no more sway over the will of God than anyone else.

Of course she did not have divine power while on Earth…but she certainly did start Jesus off on his ministry…John 2:3-7…So yes…she did have some “sway”…
12voltman:

According to the Bible, they are dead and contact with them is strictly forbidden.

You don’t believe in the promises of Christ?

12volt_man:

Why would you pray to dead people when God has condemned it? Why would you pray to anyone other than God when God has condemned that?

Again…a person who dies In Christ is Alive…more alive than you or I…

12volt_man:

Many Roman Catholics do.

Lots of Catholics take birth control, don’t go to confession or Church on Sunday…they don’t follow the teachings of the Church…and certainly don’t make or break Her either…We are all sinners.

12volt_man:

Yeah, I’m just some poor apostate with a grad degree. I’m just too stupid to understand.

Now you know I didn’t mean you couldn’t understand…I meant you won’t allow yourself to understand…Your sensitive aren’t you…

12volt_man:

At least you got my name right this time.

Yes…I am having trouble with your name …I keep wanting to type 12volt_battery

 

[Della]

12volt_man:

If it were Biblical, then it wouldn’t be condemned in the Bible.

Praying to saints is not condemned in the Bible. Calling up the spirits of the dead is in order to try to find out about the future or in séances and that sort of thing.

As I stated above, the saints are not dead. They are ALIVE with Christ.

The Body of Christ is not divided between those who have gone to heaven and those who are living on earth. It is one Body, not two. Jesus tells us that those who are with God are alive, not dead. They are merely awaiting the resurrection in order to be brought to completion, as we all are.

 

[12volt_man]

Eden:

Yes, it is your God. Your version of what God said. You are your own pope.

No, we don’t need a pope to tell us what God says. We can read God’s word for ourself.

 

[swnunley]

12volt_man:

One cannot be baptised as a baby because a baby has not made a conscious decision to follow Christ.

Then why did God have the Israelites circumcise infants? The circumcision was a sign of faith in God, but certainly the baby couldn’t understand what it meant.

So, then, regarding your assertion that it is improper to baptize infants, what do you do with these scriptures?

“She was baptized, with her household” (Acts 16:15)"

Also in Acts, “the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family” (Acts 16:33).

And in Corinthians, Paul said, “*I did baptize also the household of Stephanas” (1 Cor. 1:16). *

Taken in the historical context the “whole household” meant any relatives, servants, and certainly children that may have been living there. Your argument against infant baptism doesn’t hold water scripturaly or historically.

Refer to catholic.com/library/Infant_Baptism.asp

 

[pro_universal]

There’s nothing in scripture that even remotely suggests such a thing.

Yes there is. You’re not reading my post. Every scripture that affirms Jesus’s humanity and divinity united requires the logical conclusion that Mary is the mother of God.

Jesus is one person, Mary is his one mother. You can’t divide Jesus up into two just for the purposes of who his mother is. He is either one person, or he’s not…and if he is one person, then Mary is the mother of that whole person.

Hence, Mary is the mother of God.

If you deny this, you have a clearly false (in that it is contradictory) belief. I challenge you to explain away this logical proof if you say otherwise.

 

[12volt_man]

Della:

Praying to saints is not condemned in the Bible. Calling up the spirits of the dead is in order to try to find out about the future or in séances and that sort of thing.

Actually, praying to the dead is condemned in scripture. Several times, as a matter of fact.

As I stated above, the saints are not dead. They are ALIVE with Christ.

Funny, my Bible says that Enoch and Elijah are the only two people who went to Heaven without dying.

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

No, we don’t need a pope to tell us what God says. We can read God’s word for ourself.

You make yourself your own pope by reading the Bible and deciding what 12volt_man thinks it says. But your interpretation is different from all of the other Bible-only Christians who are not members of your Baptist faith. So, like I said, you are your own pope.

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

I guess being treated well is all relevant.

I agree it’s relevant. Or did you mean relative?

So far, I’ve been told that I’m a heretic, that I’m not a Christian, that I cannot be saved, that I’m going to Hell, and that I would not be treated as an equal in your church.

If that’s being “treated well”, I’d hate to see how you guys treat somebody you have it in for.

You know you have been treated with courtesy.

 

[12volt_man]

pro_universal:

Yes there is.

Fine show me just one verse that says that mary is my “spiritual mother”.

You’re not reading my post. Every scripture that affirms Jesus’s humanity and divinity united requires the logical conclusion that Mary is the mother of God.

Mary is not the mother of God. God existed long before Mary was even born.

Hence, Mary is the mother of God.

I see. So then, who is God’s father?

This is starting to sound more like Mormonism than Christianity.