Baptists, Evangelicals and the Baptismal Sacrament

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stewstew03 said:
I forgot to ask - do you believe Christian adults who have been baptized as infants are being disobedient by refusing a “believer’s baptism”?
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Yes. If such an individual tried to join or commune at a Baptist church, it would be required that they be baptized, since we do not think they were ever baptized to begin with.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
No, we don’t. We agree it’s a permanent relationship between the couple and that it is a covenant that God ratifies and honors. The root disagreement is a disagreement over what grace is.
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It is God’s grace in the sense that He freely offers to omit the sin of fornication vis-a-vis intimate relations between a husband and wife. This is not difficult to grasp…
 
aidanbradypop said:
Someone who was baptized as an infant was never baptized?
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In other words… any Christian (Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc.) baptized as an infant is not really a Christian until they are re-baptized as an adult.
 
stewstew03 said:
It is God’s grace in the sense that He freely offers to omit the sin of fornication vis-a-vis intimate relations between a husband and wife. This is not difficult to grasp…
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It’s not difficult to grasp. I just don’t believe it’s a function of grace. We define grace as God’s unmerited favor toward sinners. Marriage was present before sin and God honored Adam and Eve’s union. No grace required. It is equally true today since marriage is not unmerited favor but a conditional covenant. In this way, it is part of the natural order, i.e., law.
 
stewstew03 said:
In other words… any Christian (Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc.) baptized as an infant is not really a Christian until they are re-baptized as an adult.
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That would be reading things into what I said that I, in fact, didn’t say. Baptism is not a requirement to be a regenerate Christian. What I did say earlier is that someone who refuses to be baptized for no reason other than a desire to disobey the commandment would be regarded as unregenerate. This is markedly different than someone who is not baptized because they believe they already have been.
 
Prmerger - thanks for noticing the slip in that post!..he went to paradise that day as he told the thief that very thing, however in talking to Mary Magdelene after his resurrection, he did not allow her to touch him as he “had not yet ascended to my Father”
John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Then in Acts 1:3 -
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

So, yes, I did not mean that Jesus went to heaven the same day as his crucifixion.
 
aidanbradypop said:
So he states that these are false religions within Christianity.

Church of Christ
Episcopal Church
Greek Eastern Orthodox
Lutherans
Pentecostal / Charismatic
Roman Catholicism
Russian Orthodox
Seventh-Day Adventist
Unitarian Universalism
United Church of Christ

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That isn’t HATE. That is his opinion. Opinion isn’t hate. Free Speech isn’t Hate.

I am sure that the Roman Catholic church thinks my church is a “False Religion”. That isn’t hate. Hate is when you dislike someone or their opinions so much you persecute or kill them, that is hate.

I don’t dislike or hate anybody here on this forum. But occasionally come here and discuss beliefs.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
That would be reading things into what I said that I, in fact, didn’t say. Baptism is not a requirement to be a regenerate Christian. What I did say earlier is that someone who refuses to be baptized for no reason other than a desire to disobey the commandment would be regarded as unregenerate. This is markedly different than someone who is not baptized because they believe they already have been.
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Yes, but in your view all Christians baptized as infants would need to be re-baptized.
 
kirkdickinson said:
That isn’t HATE. That is his opinion. Opinion isn’t hate. Free Speech isn’t Hate.

I am sure that the Roman Catholic church thinks my church is a “False Religion”. That isn’t hate. Hate is when you dislike someone or their opinions so much you persecute or kill them, that is hate.

I don’t dislike or hate anybody here on this forum. But occasionally come here and discuss beliefs.
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We do not call the Baptist faith a false religion. 😉
 
stewstew03 said:
In other words… any Christian (Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc.) baptized as an infant is not really a Christian until they are re-baptized as an adult.
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I would say YES. They have to be baptized after Repentance. Repentance is personal and can’t be done through proxy.
 
kirkdickinson said:
I would say YES. They have to be baptized after Repentance. Repentance is personal and can’t be done through proxy.
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So what about someone that was baptized in the Southern Baptist Church like myself and then converted to Catholicism?
 
aidanbradypop said:
Oh ok. And where did that authority come from?
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Since we believe the practice of baptizing people after faith and repentance was the practice of the apostles, we follow their guidelines for who is the proper subject of baptism.
 
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