Baptizing Baby of Lesbian Mothers

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Lisa N:
what IS the point of baptizing the baby if the mother (or guardian or whatever) has rejected her Catholic faith? It
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how come if we dont follow the law to the letter we have REJECTED our faith. sheep stray yall, it doesnt mean your not a good person or even a good Catholic.
 
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TarAshly:
why does the gay issue always go straight to incest and beastiality!? are we really that afraid that if we allow gay people their right to live their lives people will want to marry their nieces and goats?
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Because, sexual immorality is sexual immorality. That’s why. Just because they are “consenting adults” does not absolve them of the immorality of their actions in the eyes of God. God doesn’t distinguish between homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, incest, polyamory, or any other sexual relationship between an unmarried man and woman. I wish you would stop trying to equate a homosexual relationship to a sacremental heterosexual marriage.
 
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ByzCath:
The fact is that this would be an uphill battle for the child to be raise in the true Catholic Faith. I can understand you not being able to see this.
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Why would it be an uphill battle, as my signature says this is not a museum of Saints but a hospital of sinners.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Because, sexual immorality is sexual immorality. That’s why. Just because they are “consenting adults” does not absolve them of the immorality of their actions in the eyes of God. God doesn’t distinguish between a “consenting” homosexual, a pedophile, or a bestial, or a incestor, or a polygamist.
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You dont honestly believe that do you? your telling me that a good hearted gay man or woman will face the same punishment as a murderous victimizing pedophile?
 
space ghost:
i don’t know how realistic it is to expect 2 people who would not be practicing catholics, or vehemently disposed to any moral code that the church professes want to have their child baptized in the catholic church…

if they did, my guess is that one or more of the pair might be taking another look at their life style and for fear of their soul or the soul of their child wish to start afresh with the baptism of their child. Who in God’s name are we to say otherwise… Only God knows what’s in the persons heart…

I would assume that the priest will properly dispose the parent/s of the child…

the baptism will certainly benefit the child, and who knows, it may be the start of conversion for one or more of the parents… Either way, Jesus Chirst didn’t tell those who sinned to leave him… he included those that were in need of spiritual help…

Splinters and timbers… you can’t witness, or help those you shut the door to…

At anygiven time in a so-called christians life mortal sin seperates us from God… and we need each others help to find our way back. If we fall, or fail, it’s not the duty of the members of the body to pitch them out into the street an point fingers and euphemistically stone them…

i suggest you think twice about exclusion, let God decide what’s in the heart of someone who doesn’t live as you think they should.

your really not qualified… :cool:
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This is why i like Space Ghost! way to put it!
 
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TarAshly:
You dont honestly believe that do you? your telling me that a good hearted gay man or woman will face the same punishment as a murderous victimizing pedophile?
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A good hearted gay man will be treated the same way as a good hearted pedophile. A murderous victimizing gay man will be treated the same as a murderous victimizing pedophile.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
A good hearted gay man will be treated the same way as a good hearted pedophile. A murderous victimizing gay man will be treated the same as a murderous victimizing pedophile.
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Theres no such thing as a good hearted pedophile honey.
 
How can anyone that would abuse and molest children have a good heart. you prove it! sorry about the honey thing thats the Georgia coming out in me! i can imagine that your not the honey type, just as im not the babe type.
 
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TarAshly:
How can anyone that would abuse and molest children have a good heart. you prove it! sorry about the honey thing thats the Georgia coming out in me! i can imagine that your not the honey type, just as im not the babe type.
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Simple, many of them honestly don’t believe they are abusing the children that they do. They sincerely believe they are loving them. Granted, this is not always they case, there are many sickos who know exactly what they are doing. Additionally, you make the assumption that every homosexual is a good hearted person who just wants to be left alone. Again, generalizations will get you nowhere. The fact is, both homosexuality and pedophilia are intrinsically disordered sexual impulses. Both violate natural law. So does bestiality. The issue of the person being “good hearted” is a completely separate matter. I am sure that there are some good hearted goat lovers out there. (not that I am going to bother looking).

P.S. All women are babes, that’s the New York Guinea coming out in me. You got your pick, babe, darlin’, or another word that rhymes with boots, but starts with a t.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
P.S. All women are babes, that’s the New York Guinea coming out in me. You got your pick, babe, darlin’, or another word that rhymes with boots, but starts with a t.
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toots???

how did i just KNOW you were a yankee, no offense just a joke.

in my opinion there is a grave difference between pedophiles and gay people. children CANNOT give consent for a sexual act where as two consenting same sex adults can, theres a HUGE difference between rape and consented adults. the rape is the sexual deviation. i dont think its natural i agree, i agree theres a wire loose or something to make them feel that way just as we are wired to desire the opposite sex, i dont think people choose to be this way. so i dont think they make a concious decision to “turn away from God” which i dont think they do anyway. so why deny a human being of a different lifestyle the sacraments that Jesus died to give us? thats like me saying YANKEES SHOULDNT GET THE SACRAMENTS BECAUSE THEYRE WAY DIFFERENT THAN SOUTHERNERS AND THATS WRONG!!! just because your different doesnt make you evil, come on now!
 
Soooo, you are trying to say that being a southerner is the same as being homosexual? Are you for real? I mean, I know y’all from the south were a bit off kilter, but I would never go that far! And if you have a problem with my describing homosexuality as intrinsically disordered, argue with the Church, not me. I am just regurgitating what the Church has infallibly taught on the matter for the last 2,000 years. It wasn’t popular back then, it ain’t now, so what’s new. People who are behaving however they want don’t like to be told they are sinning, its that simple. What if I had an affair on my wife with her knowledge and approval? Hey, what the heck, it isn’t hurting anyone. We are consenting adults aren’t we? In fact, why keep it to just one mistress? I wouldn’t want my wife to get jealous now. Maybe we can look into the swinging seen. I mean after all, we’re not intentionally turning away from God, we’re just having a little extra-marital sex. What’s the harm in that? We are consenting adults after all, that should count for something.
 
i didnt say southerners were the same as homosexuals and if anyones off kilter its rude yankees! and i have no argument with the church im just saying theres no need to deny anyone the sacraments the sacraments are meant to bring people closer to God why would we want to deny anyone that glorious priveledge.
 
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TarAshly:
i didnt say southerners were the same as homosexuals and if anyones off kilter its rude yankees! and i have no argument with the church im just saying theres no need to deny anyone the sacraments the sacraments are meant to bring people closer to God why would we want to deny anyone that glorious priveledge.
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Techically, if someone is actively engaged in a homosexual relationship, they should abstain from the sacraments, the Eucharist especially. The problem with this whole issue is that the mother of the baby in question is not Catholic. The father is not present. So, I don’t know WHERE this issue stands with regards to the child’s baptism. This question would be appropriately asked on the “Ask an Apologist” forum. Oye, with the rude yankees thing. Like you’ve never come across an upitty “southern belle” before.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Techically, if someone is actively engaged in a homosexual relationship, they should abstain from the sacraments, the Eucharist especially. The problem with this whole issue is that the mother of the baby in question is not Catholic. The father is not present. So, I don’t know WHERE this issue stands with regards to the child’s baptism. This question would be appropriately asked on the “Ask an Apologist” forum. Oye, with the rude yankees thing. Like you’ve never come across an upitty “southern belle” before.
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Uppity i would argue with southern belle im quite proud of.

your argument with the father thing, does that mean single moms shouldnt have their babies baptized either? i believe he did ask an apologist but also just wanted others (name removed by moderator)ut and opinions thats what these forums are all about a hodge podge mesh of sharing ideas and theories and opinions. aint it great!!
 
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TarAshly:
Uppity i would argue with southern belle im quite proud of.

your argument with the father thing, does that mean single moms shouldnt have their babies baptized either? i believe he did ask an apologist but also just wanted others (name removed by moderator)ut and opinions thats what these forums are all about a hodge podge mesh of sharing ideas and theories and opinions. aint it great!!
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Sharing of ideas is wonderful, as long as everyone agrees with ME.
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Styner:
Hi Lisa N - Quite the contrary. As much as it sounds ridiculous, the Catholic partner in this couple is very devoted to her faith. I don’t understand her faith vs. sexuality issues or rational myself. But she is very committed to the Catholic teachings and wants the baby raised with those teachings. Think of it as "I’m an adult and I’ve made a choice that goes against my religious upbringing but I feel that my religious training has immense value and is still center in my life. It is those same teachings that she wishes to instill in the child.

Perhaps this is what she is thinking when she expresses her desire to commit the baby to the Lord.

Thanks for food for thought.
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You see, that is the issue. The one partner is “devoted” to her Catholic faith—for what it does on HER behalf, not for what she does, what she sacrifices or what she dedicates to the Church. It’s a one sided devotion–what can the Church do for her? (help her raise her child, protect the child’s soul, provide a structure for the child’s life). But she doesn’t think about what she needs to do for the Church.

It’s funny on another thread one poster took me to task for saying that homosexuals “procure” children in a variety of ways, one of which is rather like the way a farmer may breed livestock. But your friend’s example is proof that this does happen. Not that this child isn’t a precious child of God, but look at the way the two partners have totally REJECTED God’s plan for humanity. That’s what I mean by saying she rejected her faith. Think about it. The plan for us is a FAMILY. A father, a mother and children. This child has no father. Oh the child has someone who donated sperm but doesn’t that seem a bit perverted? It totally discounts the co-creator of this baby, the father. He has no role, anymore than a stallion or a bull who impregnates the female and goes on to the next one. I just think the whole approach demonstrates a disrespect for God and the Catholic Church.

I am sure this woman means well and probably doesn’t really understand the big picture here. She loves her partner, she loves her child, she wants what she wants when she wants it.

Further, she can certainly raise the child by following Catholic teachings. OTOH it’s going to be a bit hard to explain why she rejected such a fundamental structure as marriage and family.

Lisa N
 
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