Baron Alexander Tschugguel of Pachamama fame calls for Pope to clarify what he said about gay unions

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I hope that Mr Tschugguel is not going around passing himself off as a baron!
 
scousekiwi said:
I hope that Mr Tschugguel is not going around passing himself off as a baron!
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In Europe is not so unusual to find people somehow connected with the old nobility still using their honorific titles.
 
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RhodesianSon said:
He is a baron. His family is of the nobility.
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aroosi said:
Not sure about this guy, but in Europe is not so unusual to find people somehow connected with the old nobility still using their honorific titles.
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BartholomewB said:
Oh, he’s evidently a real Austrian baron, Freiherr in German. His full name and title appear on his Wikipedia page: Alexander Freiherr von Tschuggül zu Tramin.
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As a citizen of the Republic of Austria, he bears no title of nobility. Austria did away with titles of nobility over 100 years ago. If he were German, he could use “Freiherr von Tschuggül zu Tramin” as his surname, thought not as his title. But as an Austrian, he should not be using any title at all other than “Herr”.
 
I posted a reply to you about that yesterday, on a thread that you yourself had started. You must have overlooked it.
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The statement by Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez, described here as “a long-time theological advisor to Pope Francis,” clears up nothing. In Argentinian law, there is a clear distinction between “convivencia” and “unión civil.” “Unión civil” is the same as civil union in English: a contract that two people can voluntarily enter into, that stops short of being fully equivalent to a marriage. In those jurisdictions in Argentina that recognize civil unions between same-sex couples, there is a re…
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Ties to the nobility certainly seem to go a long way among some Traditionalists I’ve run into.
 
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As a citizen of the Republic of Austria, he bears no title of nobility. Austria did away with titles of nobility over 100 years ago. If he were German, he could use “Freiherr von Tschuggül zu Tramin” as his surname, thought not as his title. But as an Austrian, he should not be using any title at all other than “Herr”.
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Is it illegal in Austria? In Italy there are plenty of people still using their titles without any problem. In Italy nobility titles have no value but people are allowed to keep them as part of their names. See link to Italian Constitution below
https://www.senato.it/1025?sezione=140&articolo_numero_articolo=XIV
 
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Extra prayers for this man and the many others Marshall seems to be leading astray.
 
However, @AlbMagno, who is himself from Argentina, thinks I was probably wrong about that. The picture is undeniably still very blurred:
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Interesting observation, however, I don’t know enough about law (in this case our own law) to answer that. What I know is that, when the Law of same-sex “marriage” was being debated, there were many Catholics who were able to tolerate it only if it would not be called “marriage”. I think the Pope might agree with this group. There is also a third legal category, “Concubinato” (concubines) which applies to couples who are not married but have lived together a long time. This, I think, doesn’t a…
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I thought it irresponsible to look to a movie for Catholic doctrine. Now I see it is Twitter and LSN in the papal chair.

There are multiple threads on this topic already, so I am asking myself why a new one was started. I come up with some interesting answers. In any case, I have no problem addressing the specific use of Twitter for theological conversations within the Church.
 
A Catholic elite that fights idolatry instead of tolerating it? Tell me more. If he is single, I do have a sister.
 
Well, yes, but the tree that Boniface cut down was Donar’s oak. Donar is another name for Thor. So was this tree in the Vatican gardens dedicated to Pachamama or another Peruvian god or goddess? Why did an Austrian baron travel all the way from Vienna to Rome to chop a tree down? There are trees in Vienna too, you know. He must have had some special reason for wanting to chop down this particular tree.
 
Same in France. People who have a “real” (read historical) nobility title can even have it on their identity papers, even though having one doesn’t change anything in post-revolutionary France.

That said, from what I know, nobility titles are legally forbidden in Austria, and even the Habsburg have been forced to drop the “von” from their name.
 
Not surprising that LS ‘News’ would pick this up… they’ve shown time and time again that they aren’t interested in doing anything productive.

This is the story of vandal protesting… not newsworthy in my view
 
Yes, on the continent they gave out noble titles like cough drops. In jolly ol’ England, a “Lord” or “Lady” is still someone quite apart.
 
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