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Kevin12
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The thing is, there are many scholars who are perfectly fine with the supernatural who say these views have merit. And he does give what he purports is historical proof. For example, he shows that when Augustine and Justin Martyr quoted Luke 3:22, they used the version that now only appears in Bezae and not in the earliest P4, which says “This day I have begotten you” during the Baptism, and felt the need to explain how it should not be viewed as Adoptionist in character. He also says that this was the way in was quoted in another of other Patristis sources. So I don’t think he is completely off base in asking the question of why the version of Luke 3:22 we have is different from the one many of the Fathers had?I am from a scientific background. Show me Bart’s proof. Otherwise it is speculation. You also have to be aware of the strong anti-supernaturalism politics that was present in Theology last century. Saying certain scholars agree says very little. Saying why they agree gets us further. A reasonable proof of what they say would give us an opportunity to have a reasonable discussion.
My use of the word ‘completely’ was not for specific events which may or may not have happened but in the general speculation by Bart that the divinity of Christ was created by followers of Jesus and that the early Christians had thought something different.
In order for Barts unfounded speculation to be correct such a fabrication would have to be complete. It would be complete in the sense of textual alterations, a removal of any historical record of conflict over the changes and complete alterations to the beliefs of every geographical community of early Christians. This objection is listed with all my other stated obstacles to believing Bart’s speculation. Any sort of historical proof from Bart is necessary before intelligent discussion can take place.
He also admits “I have observed that the anti-adoptionist changes ofthe text occur sporadically throughout the tradition, not at all with the kind of consistancy for which one might have hoped.” So I don’t think he’s arguing for some broad reaching conspiracy. Just that in some cases, some unscrupulous scribes may have altered the text to end debate. I don’t agree with him, but I think his purported examples should at least be examined.