That made me so sad. I’m sorry you feel that way. The church as an institution, is what we sadly identify that way. Not any specific Catholic or branch. You are not hated or despised by any true member of our church. And I dont know if this will help or make it worse, but we believe that it is only the people higher up that KNOW and teach others wrong that will be held accountable. Therefore the idea that Adventism hates Catholics is so far from the truth, it makes me want to either laugh or cry. Nobody in my denomination enjoys naming the Whore of Babylon. Many evangelists and pastors came from the Catholic church and lift when they discovered these things. But for you or anyone else to feel that way about us really saddens my heart. You are loved by Jesus and us. I hope that helped a little.
Absolutely. The spirit of prophesy is something that has always existed inside God’s church. The apostles had it, we believe another had it as well. But with her aside, it is a tool of God to strengthen his church. There are several key pointers of a prophet and so far, we have only found one that fits all the criteria, so her works are considered in manners of faith. But to say that she wrote our new bible or other ideas I’ve heard. We read it about as much as Catholics read Canons and Traditions. OK? Thank you.
Sadly it doesn’t, as a Catholic I am inseprable from my Church, as we believe Christ founded the Church. And attack and judgment on my Church, is an attack and judgment on me. A condemnation on my Church is a condemnation on me. If my Church is the whore of babylon, I am nothing but a pagan idolator, and deserve nothing but hellfire. Do you see how there just is no room for dialogue? Your belief system is too hate filled towards mine, for me to “keep an open mind”. I’m sorry.
So, as it is binding on the Catholic to accept that Adventism is Christian, but the Adventist can go around on the supposition that Catholicism is not, this is anti-Catholicism and as such discussion is moot as we don’t agree on very basic principles.
Whew! OK. Well, first of all we put a difference between the Mosaic law and the 10 commandments. One set was written in stone (twice) the others were not. Wherever in the Bible Jesus refers to the law we believe God’s Law to be the 10 commandments. When it says the whole of the law is this Love your God and love your neighbor, we see that as the 2 groups of commandments. One side says “love your god, do not make or pray to idols, to not take gods name in vain, remember my sabbath day.” The other side is instructions on treating others, “do not kill obey your parents, do not kill do not covet etc.” That is what we interpret that to mean, the whole of the law is love God and love your neighbor.
Very good. I guess my only question would be the Adventist doctrinal teaching on Catholicism. Are you saying an Adventist in good standing can not hold the opinion that Catholicism is not Christian? If so, by what authority?If you answer yes, then dialogue can continue.
I’m glad we got that out of the way! Of course Catholics are christian! do you pray to Jesus? This is why I opened this page. There are beliefs about the church that are not accurate. Like the last poster said, my church is too filled with hate. I have never hated a Catholic in my life. Neither does anyone in my denomination, if they are a true Adventist. Any Adventist who spreads hate, should not be so named. And to the last post, yes an institution can be seperated from an individual. We are in a war. If you do not agree with it, are you therefore not American? Or are you relying on the establishment to have valid reasons to go to war, and if they are not valid, it is on their head, right? Same principle.
That is the problem though. I know Adventists don’t “hate” Catholics, and I as a Catholic don’t “hate” Adventists. Like I’ve said on the other thread, I’ve got Adventist friends. The one-on-one senario isn’t a problem.
Except that is not how Catholics believe the Church works. You see, the Church isn’t just some club or organization-it is the Mystical Body of Christ. Baptism leaves a permanent mark on your soul, so a Catholic is baptized a Catholic and can never “renounce” their Catholicism. They may not practice it, they may not believe it, but they were baptized into it. This is also true for non-Catholics and non-Christians (in a more complicated means).
The church has as much evidence to support their position as you do to support yours. It is based on faith in what you believe to be true. At the end of the day, we will all be judged according to our obedience to the best of our knowledge. Just spending your time here on this site shows that you are involved with matters of faith consistently, which I applaud. I am merely trying to dispell certain thoughts about our FUNDAMENTAL beliefs. We could argue doctrinal differences all day. Thats not why I started this thread. I just want to lay rest some rumors like some of the ones above like “Adventists don’t think Catholics are Christian” That way, you can know that the above things are rumors and not actually taught. Just trying to help a little, not convert anyone.
I believe that the apostles were given special gifts that were to be used to stabilize the early church. To say that they themselves can transfer that gift is what we have a problem with. It is a matter of faith to believe that they were imparted that gift. It is hard to have faith in some things these days, so good for you for having some. So many crave faith like that, but dont know how to start. Maybe we as children in Christ, can find these and help them along? God Bless you.
So, what are “rumors” and what is “true”? What is your church’s real stance on the Catholic Church? What are your official doctrines (or whatever) concerning this?
We believe that the true fullness of the gospel was not re-achieved until around the 1700s. Luther, Zwingli, Huss, etc. all had a piece of inspiration which was pieced together. Hence the different denominations. When Luthers followers heard Huss’s message, they would not believe so another church was born and so on. What the Adventist church did was look to the Bible, determine what they thought to be the core truths, and create a faith based on the best they could do with the best knowledge they had. I’m sure a scholar could explain it better, I’m just a stay at home mom. lol But thats my answer to the best of my knowledge.
Basically, we are Protestant so you know what that means. We have a problem with the Pope and his proclaimed rights. Thats not news. But the idea has been postulated that Adventists dislike Catholics THEMSELVES, and do not consider them even Christian, which is ridiculous! Those are the “rumors” I am trying to dispell. It is possible to dislike a system and not its members. Although I have been told several times it isn’t in here ! But for my own PERSONAL thoughts, I CAN dislike a system and not its constituents. And I’m sure many others can too. If I disliked anyone, why would I bother trying to speak to you on behalf of my church regarding these rumors? I think we have core issues in common, and these we can discuss, yes?