Basic Questions on Catholicism

[Rawb]

Oh that’s right, I’d forgotten. Not just if you’re in a religious community though. If I remember right, Opus Dei requires daily Mass.

 

[Damascus]

Valke2- Sorry to derail your thread here on your Mass questions- but we say the Our Father at Mass. And you may find interesting the Kaddish is very similar.

 

[Valke2]

Valke2- Sorry to derail your thread here on your Mass questions- but we say the Our Father at Mass. And you may find interesting the Kaddish is very similar.

“Our Father…” as in the Psalm?

 

[Aureole]

Yes, that’s right Rawb. There are numerous little additions out there like Opus Dei or religious communities. It depends really on the individual; one person may be required to attend Mass on all Holy Days, another may be a member of Opus Dei and required to attend daily Mass, etc. Thanks for pointing that out.

Valke2 I think Damascus meant the Lord’s Prayer (Matt. 6:9-13):

Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.

 

[Damascus]

“Our Father…” as in the Psalm?

I’m Sorry Valke2-

I asumed you may have heard of the “Our Father”

Our Father, who art in Heaven; hallowed by Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. Amen

 

[Damascus]

Valke2,

Please correct me if I am wrong but the Kaddish is like this?

Magnified and sanctified be his great name
in the world wich he hath created according to his will.
May he establish his kingdom during your life and during your days, and during the life of all the house of Israel, even speedily and at a near time.

(I think the prayer concludes with the synagoue readings)?

 

[Valke2]

I’m Sorry Valke2-

I asumed you may have heard of the “Our Father”

Our Father, who art in Heaven; hallowed by Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. Amen

I apologize. I had a little brain freeze and confused Our faither with “The Lord is my shepherd”

 

[Damascus]

I apologize. I had a little brain freeze and confused Our faither with “The Lord is my shepherd”

No apology needed here.

I am just wondering if you also see other simmilarity in our Mass?

There are many.

 

[Damascus]

I apologize. I had a little brain freeze and confused Our faither with “The Lord is my shepherd”

Well, not quite. But if you want to see the Good Shepard (john 10:1)
and the Lost Sheep(Luke 15:1)

You will see a paralell in Zechariah 14:8
and in Ezekiel 47:1

His name unique…

 

[Valke2]

Valke2,

Please correct me if I am wrong but the Kaddish is like this?

Magnified and sanctified be his great name
in the world wich he hath created according to his will.
May he establish his kingdom during your life and during your days, and during the life of all the house of Israel, even speedily and at a near time.

(I think the prayer concludes with the synagoue readings)?

It’s central to our prayers, yes. (although it isn’t the last prayer of our service, it is said several times throughout the service). Whenever we use the term, we are almost always referring to the mourner’s kaddish. We say it as part of our ritual prayer of mourning. The entire prayer is a bit longer, and a translation can be found in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaddish#Text_of_the_Kaddish

You’re quote is the opening portion of the haf Kaddish.

 

[Damascus]

It’s central to our prayers, yes. (although it isn’t the last prayer of our service, it is said several times throughout the service). Whenever we use the term, we are almost always referring to the mourner’s kaddish. We say it as part of our ritual prayer of mourning. The entire prayer is a bit longer, and a translation can be found in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaddish#Text_of_the_Kaddish

You’re quote is the opening portion of the haf Kaddish.

Yes. I know. But its 10:45 and I cant type as fast as you or spell as fast or pretend to know this by heart.LOL.

I am studying your faith. I am a newbie. Take it easy on me.

 

[Valke2]

No apology needed here.

I am just wondering if you also see other simmilarity in our Mass?

There are many.

I don’t know a lot about a Catholic Mass. I had been to a few but at the time, I wasn’t adhereing to Judiasm, so I didn’t know enough to take note of any similiarities or differences. I assume both read from Psalms, although which psalms are read may be different.

The actual prayer service, in that the way it is set up in Judaism today, has been influenced by Christianity. Many shuls have the rabbi facing the congregation and leading the service. This was not always done. The rabbi had more of a prerephial role in the actual services.

The purpose of the Kaddish is the sanctificaction of God’s name. Right after the last line you posted, the congreation responds with : "May his great name be blessed forever and to all enternity.

 

[Damascus]

Hi Valke2!

Forgive me I am sleepy but I find many things simmilar-

Passover

Paschal Lamb (pesah) Lord “passed over” (pasah) the houses of the Isrealites when the firstborn of the Egyptians were dying

Unlevened bread- (also in our Mass) reminder they left in haste- no time for bread to rise!
Bitter herbs- = suffering and bondage!

Our Eucharist, unlike the eastern Orthodox christians, is unleavend.

 

[Damascus]

The Passover is very important here.

1. Praise to God for the creation of the people of Israel at the time of Abraham
2. Praise to God for the redemption of Israel through Moses
   3)Re-inactment of the salvation of Israel in the person of every Jew who shares in the meal
   4)Expectation of the coming of the Messiah
   5)Psalms of praise

Christian Eucharist
Praise to God for the creation of the World
2)Praise to God for the redemption of humanity through Christ
3)Re-inactment of salvation- the Eucharist
4)Expectation of the return of the Messiah
5) Final Doxology

Very similar.

Both very beautiful.

 

[Valke2]

Hi Valke2!

Forgive me I am sleepy but I find many things simmilar-

Passover

Paschal Lamb (pesah) Lord “passed over” (pasah) the houses of the Isrealites when the firstborn of the Egyptians were dying

Unlevened bread- (also in our Mass) reminder they left in haste- no time for bread to rise!
Bitter herbs- = suffering and bondage!

Our Eucharist, unlike the eastern Orthodox christians, is unleavend.

Oh. I was just trying to think of similarities between the services. As for holy days, there are many, I would think.

The importance of wine in many of our holy days/feasts comes to mind.

 

[Damascus]

Oh. I was just trying to think of similarities between the services. As for holy days, there are many, I would think.

The importance of wine in many of our holy days/feasts comes to mind.

Yes. Agreed!

Guess what, I cant help but digress a bit here since you mentioned wine.

I know its random, but I keep thinking about (from my point of view) the wedding at Canna.

Yet- you bring up a good subject that needs more attention than I can give attention to now. I am learning, I cant help but notice so many simillar things in our worship. It really is the best thing that has happened to me to look into this with more research.

 

[Damascus]

By the way- wine is used everyday in Mass and Mass goes on everyday all over the world. We dont need a special day - every day is a special day and every day the Mass is said - wine is a part of it!

 

[HailMary]

Does the Bible say what happens to Joseph after the birth of Jesus?

St. Joseph is the greatest saint in Heaven after Our Lady. Some have argued that he also was assumed body and soul into heaven based on the fact that there are no relics of St. Joseph or any cults honoring him.

Prayer to St. Joseph
Saint Joseph, father and guardian of virgins, into whose faithful keeping were entrusted Innocency itself, Christ Jesus and Mary, the Virgin of virgins, I pray and beseech thee through Jesus and Mary, those pledges so dear to thee, to keep me from all uncleanness, and to grant that my mind may be untainted, my heart pure and my body chaste; help me always to serve Jesus and Mary in perfect chastity. Amen.

 

[Damascus]

Valke2- as a Catholic I am told the first 5 books of my OT are The Law (Torah) yet I am remis for seeing any Law in Genesis?
Can you tell me how I missed something in that?

Since Joseph was mentioned, Jesus “the son of Joseph” was called to read at the synagogue of Nazereth
Isaiah 61:1-2

Look at Luke 4:18-19
and 4:16…

 

[Damascus]

Oh, I forgot. We can not worship on Sat. because this is the day Jesus decended into Hell.
Sunday was the day of the resurection of our Lord.