Battling a Modernist and heretical Priest

[JReducation]

This is exactly what I warned Apocalypse about (if you didn’t catch it earlier in the thread, we’re pretty much brothers, as close as you can get without DNA resemblance). I have absolutely no problem with what he’s doing. However, the way he went about it, so gung-ho Rambo on this guy, I feared that Apoc wouldn’t be taken seriously.

I told him to check his motives, to ensure that he can present his side of the argument appropriately and effectively. He assured me that everything was okay. And they are.

Apoc loves the Church. He loves God. His motives are pure and just, even though he erred at times in his preparation. Other than that, he’s doing the right thing, doing it the right way and with the right motives.

Surely, though, there is something that can be done about this professor. He is blatantly teaching against the Church. It is a heresy and the punishment for heresy is grave. It is unfortunate that a legal issue such as charter wordage could come in the way of protecting the Church and God, but this is a task that needs to be undertaken nonetheless. Hopefully something can be done, so that the venomous lies of this priest will no longer poison impressionable students (students who, for the most part, don’t know a thing about the Church as it is <–got that part from Apoc).

Like I said, I fully support what Apoc is doing. He’s doing the right thing. He’s ensuring that the spreading of this heresy stops as quickly as possible, and he’s doing it the right way (or, at least, I’m trying to make sure he does), even if it may, at times, seem otherwise.

I don’t disagree with Apoc’s motives or concerns. I am simply trying to be the voice of reason and remind Apoc that he may not get the desired outcome. As I have repeated over and over again, the Benedictines are an exempt religious order. One would have to prove, to their satisfaction, that the professor is doing harm to their college. Even then, if the legal system is not on their side, there may not be much they can do, as was the case at Catholic University. That case ended well because the priest was really a good guy and very honest about his positions. He was not out to challenge the Church. He agreed that he would resign rather than see the Church, the University and the courts in a tug of war that would be damaging to the Church and the University.

It turned out to be a win-win situation, because the Church allowed him to continue to teach, as long as he did not teach moral theology and allowed him to function as a priest, because he demonstrated, by his actions, that he really loved the Church, but had some fundamental differences in matters of conscience. The Church imposed only one sanction, not to teach theology in a Catholic college and that he alway write a disclaimer in his books that states that these ideas are opinion, not the teaching of the Church.

The same thing happened with Father Hans Kung. His is a priest in good standing as long as he does not teach theology. In fact, he is a very close friend of Pope Benedict XVI and was once Father Ratzinger’s boss at the university. The Pope has recently named him director of the ecumenical movement in his home country and has had him visit him while on vacation.

I hope this turns out just as well as the CUA and Father Kung situation did.

Fraternally,

JR

 

[Padilla7921]

I don’t disagree with Apoc’s motives or concerns. I am simply trying to be the voice of reason and remind Apoc that he may not get the desired outcome.

Oh no, I hope you didn’t misunderstand me. I wasn’t saying you disagreed with him, I was just reaffirming his intentions for everyone, in case there was a chance of doubt or disagreement.

I hope this turns out just as well as the CUA and Father Kung situation did.

I hope it turns out the same, also. This is an extremely unfortunate situation for everyone involved. Apoc’s university is a good school (so good that some of my family came from New York to attend it two generations before me, back before the school “boomed”). I’m sure no one wants this situation happening, but it must happen nonetheless. The key is, that if it has to happen, the outcome must be just. And I think it will be.

 

[Cinette]

Hi Cinette, :tiphat:

Yea, Correct, precise ,and without that wimpy FEMALE stuff. I agree! Errrr that is what you meant isn’t it?:hey_bud:

A Joke to cheer our buddy up:
On the examination paper the Professor demanded that the students sign a form stating that they had not received any outside assistance.

Unsure of whether he should sign the form, a student stated that he had prayed for the assistance of God.

The Professor carefully studied his answer and told him, “You can sign it with a clear conscience. God did not assist you.” :bigyikes:

Bye :flowers:

What is the difference between inlaws and outlaws?

Outlaws are WANTED!!!

Cheers

 

[RobGentner]

What is the difference between inlaws and outlaws?

Outlaws are WANTED!!!

Cheers

Are you calling me an outlaw??? Also keep with the OT. At least my joke was about school!

Most of my in-laws are out-laws!

Real Joke Time

Everybody on earth dies and goes to heaven. God comes and says, “I want the men to make two lines. One line for the men that dominated their women on earth and the other line for the men that were dominated by their women. Also, I want all the women to go with Saint Peter.”

With that said and done, the next time God looked, the women are gone and there are two lines. The line of the men that were dominated by their women was Thousands of miles long, and in the line of men that dominated their women, there was only one man, Rob Gentner.

God got mad and said, “You men should be ashamed of yourselves! I created you in my image and you were all whipped by your mates. Look at the only one of my sons that actually stood up and made me proud. Learn from him! Tell them my son, how did you manage to be the only one in this line?”

And Rob Gentner replied, “I don’t know, my wife told me to stand here.” :extrahappy:

See “Religious Joke”

 

[RobGentner]

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WE BREAK FOR AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT MESSAGE **

usccb.org/prolife/Rigali-Murphy-Joint-Statement.pdf

You may now resume. Thank you !

 

[Allen537]

This is discrimination. A teacher cannot fail a student because he does not like the pupil. All work should be analysed objectively and any grades awarded should be based solely on the merits of the assignment or essay.

Unfortunately, in our University system in the US, Professors are only required to submit final grades to the registrars office. So a professor can make up whatever grade he wants for a student and submit it. While a grade may be challenged, even if the professor is found to be writing out grades with a large emphasis on whether or not he likes or dislikes a student, if he is tenured there is nothing the university can do about it. And as most professors and students I know would say, “that’s just the way it works”.

Br. Allen

 

[RobGentner]

[SIGN]Originally Posted by Dempsey1919
This is discrimination. A teacher cannot fail a student because he does not like the pupil. All work should be analysed objectively and any grades awarded should be based solely on the merits of the assignment or essay.
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Unfortunately, in our University system in the US, Professors are only required to submit final grades to the registrars office. So a professor can make up whatever grade he wants for a student and submit it. While a grade may be challenged, even if the professor is found to be writing out grades with a large emphasis on whether or not he likes or dislikes a student, if he is tenured there is nothing the university can do about it. And as most professors and students I know would say, “that’s just the way it works”.

Yup Allen, you are absolutely correct! Grades are subjective!

Dempsey think about it, Unlike in high school, in college, you are judged as a whole person, not just by paperwork and tests although they do play a part. You could “provide” the correct written answer, but during discussion show that you don’t understand the subject at all. Should you get a high grade? The professor has the final say and most time he uses objective things to guide him, although his grade could be based soley on his opinion of you as a person. Moral: Keep a low profile! Smile at the professor.
If you want to Fight just be prepare to loss. That isn’t always a bad thing! There is Honor and integrity and Faith that are much more important than a good grade!