BBC: Wikileaks: Pope's conversion offer damaged relations

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Can’t tell from the folks taking His Holiness up on the offer thus far.

The one’s who remain behind have their agenda anyway and that is a large part of what helped spur so many to come over to our most holy faith.

Ultimately, this is good sign.
 
While interesting it is not particularly surprising or, as it turns out, important.
Certainly such communications are to be expected when “new developments” come up such as the Pope’s invitation.
Yet, as we’ve seen from the Pope’s visit to England, and from other decisions and efforts, the damage (if there was any) has not been extensive or particularly permanent.

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So…the Church of England would rather that their flock remain disaffected and lose hope? Maybe I’m coming at this from a really American perspective, but wouldn’t it be better for these parishoners to be someplace where they feel welcomed and spiritually engaged rather than dismissed and ignored? And what “backlash”? Has the CofE addressed the fears of this “backlash” with the people who might perpetrate it rather than using it as a scare tactic to keep people in their pews?
 
The Ambassador was clueless
Pope’s decision" …had shifted the goal of the Catholic-Anglican ecumenical dialogue “from true unity to mere co-operation”.
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No, the Anglican’s attempted ordination of women clergy did that years ago.
 
I was struck by the ponderous claim that the Pope had put the Archbishop of Canterbury in an impossible situation when what he had actually done was to recognize - and act on - the impossible situation in which Church of England members had already been placed.

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Oh, my goodness, you have reminded me of a very sore point with my husband. He comes from an old Lancashire family, and as you will know, it was among the old families that the Faith was preserved in the time of persecution, often because they had the money to pay the fines, and tha large houses in which to hide priests. One of his distant ancestors was an English Martyr, in fact.

One particular Sunday in Mass he nearly got up and stalked out, as the priest ( I suspect with an eye to one or two important familes in the parish who are proud of their Irishness) stated that if it hadn’t have been for the Irish immigrants the Faith would have died out.

I don’t know the demographics, but as you say, the Catholic Church in England is most definitely not mostly Irish-born.
 
I was getting ready to post John Allen’s article from NCR about the leaks. There is literally nothing in them you couldn’t have learnt by reading the Catholic blogosphere, or even Mr Allen’s reporting all along.

Not to defend WikiLeaks but I wonder how State Dept. much cable traffic consists of stuff you could find publicly which is then stamped “Classified”?
 
There are bound to be some people who don’t like the Pope’s offer, and would go back after the initial effort. However, there are some who will go into the Catholic Church and stay there, and for them, it was the right thing to do. Funny how in controversies like this, attention is given to the people who make the most negative noise, but you never hear from the happy people. 😉
 
I am getting sick of the media. I barely check the news any more. If there’s something worth knowing, my Mum will tell me.

I went to a Catholic school and the only people in my year who had Irish blood were me and a friend.

At Mass there are a lot of African and Asian families, but I think it depends where you live. For example, in Cambridge they are mostly Polish and Polish Masses are held.
 
A huge portion of the wikileaks deal with Polish Catholics. I can’t find the links now, but I linked off another thread in this forum. I’ll try to find them tomorrow if you indicate you are interested.
 
Has there been a significant flow from Anglicanism to Catholicism? I rather doubt that there enough engaged religious people in England to even consider the change and would rather remain where they are simply because of inertia.
 
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Has there been a significant flow from Anglicanism to Catholicism? I rather doubt that there enough engaged religious people in England to even consider the change and would rather remain where they are simply because of inertia.
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There does seem to be less crossover than the Catholic press is reporting. The crossover seems to be the clergy rather than the people in the pew. It appears to me to be the disinfranciized clegy at that. Do you have more to add?
 
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Oh, my goodness, you have reminded me of a very sore point with my husband. He comes from an old Lancashire family, and as you will know, it was among the old families that the Faith was preserved in the time of persecution, often because they had the money to pay the fines, and tha large houses in which to hide priests. One of his distant ancestors was an English Martyr, in fact.

One particular Sunday in Mass he nearly got up and stalked out, as the priest ( I suspect with an eye to one or two important familes in the parish who are proud of their Irishness) stated that if it hadn’t have been for the Irish immigrants the Faith would have died out.

I don’t know the demographics, but as you say, the Catholic Church in England is most definitely not mostly Irish-born.
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You should buy your husband this book called “Stripping of the Altars”
amazon.com/Stripping-Altars-Traditional-Religion-1400-1580/dp/0300108281/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1292118610&sr=1-1

Its all about how the reformation was not a surge from the people but a top down push. Written from a historical point with lots of facts. All the people at my church have rave reviews about it.
 
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