Be ambitious for the high table

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BC, despite all the (name removed by moderator)uts DM has been patiently giving you, you seem to be determined to wallow in your own mud. Online interaction has its limitations. What you need to do urgently is to go offline and seek out and join a physical Catholic community in your own locality who meet regularly and share face to face how they are growing in holiness and how they seek to discern God’s will in their life. Had you been in Mumbai, India, I would have invited you to join our private lay organisation called as Shield of Faith Community, which does just that!
 
If its really that desperate, shouldn’t you be out looking for a job and posting on temp websites and things like that, rather than here discussing theology? Or do you think someone here is going to give you a job?
Because God says no, so I gave up looking. I cannot overrule his will, so game over.
But now we went from the punishment of a jail cell to punishment for other’s sins? How is this an improvement?
Not Catholic Doctrine. Where is this coming from?

We are held temporally responsible for the sins of others. I say this, the proof is abundant, and you don’t listen.
God knows what you need. It is good that you pray. May I recommend the Rosary. Also, daily Mass and communion.
And God does not provide me the stable employment or healing of my son’s mental disease. THAT is how I know it was answered.
Your problem seems to be that you think you can tell God what you deserve to receive.
No. That’s a gross misinterpretation. You’re doing this a lot toward everything I’ve written and basically are choosing not to understand.
God is treating you as He does everyone else.
No he does not.
I go to healing services to get my son healed, OTHER PEOPLE get healed, not my son. God loves other people more than me.
Every attempt you’ve made to coerce God has failed and will continue to fail.
Again, this is not what I said. Another misinterpretation.

From what I am seeing is that you have a total lack of charity, choosing to take everything I say to completely misinterpret it and interpret them to the most dark and evil thing possible. Instead of actually reading what I write, you read your viewpoint into what I write, putting words into my mouth. Instead of understanding I am a broken man and show me compassion and give me some benefit of the doubt, you do the opposite.

You’re not helping, so I’m done here. You win, OK? You win. That’s what you want to hear. Let your ego be stroked.
 
BC, despite all the (name removed by moderator)uts DM has been patiently giving you, you seem to be determined to wallow in your own mud. Online interaction has its limitations. What you need to do urgently is to go offline and seek out and join a physical Catholic community in your own locality who meet regularly and share face to face how they are growing in holiness and how they seek to discern God’s will in their life. Had you been in Mumbai, India, I would have invited you to join our private lay organisation called as Shield of Faith Community, which does just that!
Bob in addition to the above, I’d recommend you to do the Morning Prayer of the Church (Lauds) first thing in the morning every day. In these particular Psalms you will find greater concordance with your own struggle.

Here is an extract from Wikipedia:
Symbolism and significance: This is the Office of daybreak and hence its symbolism is of Christ’s resurrection. According to Dom Cabrol, “Lauds remains the true morning prayer, which hails in the rising sun, the image of Christ triumphant—consecrates to Him the opening day.” The Office of Lauds reminds the Christian that the first act of the day should be praise, and that one’s thoughts should be of God before facing the cares of the day. The tranquil hours just before and at sunrise are often favorable to contemplation and prayer.

Standing posture is recommended and the Psalms should be chanted aloud rather than merely read in the mind. Chanting is highly recommended because it draws from the heart rather than from the head. The words are the psalmists, but the tune is yours!
 
If Heaven is the ‘great banquet’ it is said to be, there must surely be ‘high tables’ and ‘low tables’ there. If one thing can be safely concluded from Jesus’ answer to the mother of the sons of Zebedee regarding seat reservations for them at his right hand and left, it is that positional hierarchy exists there also!

So what are these high tables and how are they allotted? The high table represents a greater proximity to the divine essence as compared to the low table. ‘High’ and ‘Low’ could also refer to the degree of clarity with which one beholds the Beatific Vision. The one with the greatest proximity to the Triune God is obviously the Son of Man (Jesus in his human nature), who is seated at the right hand of the Father. He occupies the number one spot, not by virtue of designation, but by merit of having endured more testing than anybody else. At number two would come Mary the Mother of God, and after her would come the apostles, followed by the martyrs. Toward bottom would come the aborted fetuses and the children who died in infancy (since their faith wasn’t really ‘tested’).

Even if we might not be ambitious on the worldly scale, it is definitely worth trying to make it to the high table of the heavenly banquet. As baptized persons our entry into heaven is more or less a ‘done deal’ subject to purgatory provisions. The only differentiator as far as seating protocol is concerned would be the level of testing that each of us has undergone in this life. Jesus, responding to the mother of James and John, asked them whether they were ready to drink of his “cup”? By “cup” he meant intense suffering or testing. From this we can conclude that there is a direct co-relation between the quantum of testing and the position at the banqueting table, and therefore if we are half clever, we should voluntarily ask God for more testing. We can do so with confidence since we know that God wants us to succeed and therefore He shall not test us beyond our capacity, and even if He does so, he shall correspondingly build up our capacities.

In earthly corporations, bosses value employees who proactively come forward and ask for more responsibilities. It is mainly such people who get successive promotions. In the parable of the talents, the servant who was entrusted with ten talents was probably a go-getter and risk-taker, whereas the servant who was entrusted with the single talent would probably have been a shirker or someone who was happy in his comfort zone. Naturally, the rewards were in proportion. The master would have probably patted himself on the back in retrospect, for his foresight in not wasting resources on the good-for-nothing fellow.

Ultimately we urgently need to introspect whether we are sacrificing our place at the high table of the Great Banquet by hesitating to pro-actively ask for more testing? Many of the saints might have been onto this secret because we read of them voluntarily asking God to send them more testing/suffering (a recent example being St. Alphonsa Muttathapadathu of Kerala). To conclude, if invoking testing/suffering from God is the right stepping stone to a place at the high table, shouldn’t we be doing so proactively, rather than letting things happen at their own pace and wasting precious time?
To be honest I’d be grateful to have a table. Heaven is heaven.
 
De Maria, I really enjoyed reading many of your replies.

Afthomercy

I don’t see a hierarchy in Heaven except

The Trinity,

Mary. Joseph

Archangels &
Angels

The Apostles and Patriachs

The Martyrs

Then the rest of us.

My Priest, who came from India , says we will all be equal in Heaven.
 
In his commentary on Luke, St. Bonaventure wrote, "And rightly does it say of good will (the angels’ pronouncement to the shepherds) because, according to what Isaiah 57:21 has: ‘There is no peace for the wicked, says the Lord.’ And it sets the glory of God before earthly peace because no one can have peace who strives to usurp God’s glory. Bernard has “The angelic twofold announcement of glory to God and peace to men and women displeases people…O foolish children of Adam, who contemning peace and lusting after glory, lose both peace and glory!’ (cf. Ep. 126, n. 7) Certainly those who lust after glory resist God. But it is said in Job 9:4 ‘Who has resisted him and has possessed peace?’ Therefore submit yourself to him, and be at peace,’ as it is said in Job 22:21)” (Com on Lk, ch. 2, v. 13-14, n. 28)

I would say to submit to the order onto the beatific vision (this order is explicitly mentioned at every mass when the celebrant chooses to recite the Roman Canon) is to beg to grow in the seven-fold gift of the Holy Spirit. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” as it said in the Wisdom books. And the author of that great book Divine Intimacy said those with a mature fear of the lord desire only one thing: to never be separated from the Lord. That is an indication of a pure hope, which merits the highest place - with obedience and humility.
 
I don’t see a hierarchy in Heaven except: The Trinity, Mary & Joseph, Archangels & Angels, The Apostles & Patriarchs, The Martyrs and then (last) The Rest of Us. My Priest, who came from India , says we will all be equal in Heaven.
I’ll paraphrase your above post as: In heaven all are equal, but some are ‘more equal’ than others!
To be honest I’d be grateful to have a table. Heaven is heaven.
I’ll refer you back to my post# 34 on pg. 3
“The most likely way to reach a goal is to be aiming not at that goal itself, but at some more ambitious goal beyond it.” ~ Arnold Toynbee. In the context of this discussion, if heaven is the goal, then the high table is the ambitious goal!
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…And the author of that great book Divine Intimacy said those with a mature fear of the lord desire only one thing: to never be separated from the Lord. That is an indication of a pure hope, which merits the highest place - with obedience and humility.
What I hear you saying is that it is alright to aspire to the high place provided it is done with pure intention and with obedience and humility. Right?
 
What I hear you saying is that it is alright to aspire to the high place provided it is done with pure intention and with obedience and humility. Right?
Yes, the soul considerably considers firmness of mind in the pursuit of the order of God’s gifts (cf. Isaiah 11:2-3) and his interaction of adapting and overtaking the soul (particularly the intellect and will) with those gifts. By overtaking the pursuits of the mind and heart, virtue is performed in the gifts.

Necessarily, the virtues are the concern, rather than honor. But yet in a secondary way, great honor if it becomes a concern it is beneficial, only if the virtues are the true means of mind. And this indicates magnanimity.

In the journey for virtue, the Lord’s reason is sought and thus the fruits of the Holy Spirit are enjoyed. Peace is one of these fruits.
 
“And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruits of righteousness which come through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.” (Phil 1:9-11)
 
Hi De Maria,
Come in DM, come in! How are you coping with fiend Harvey? They are saying that recovery will be a year long struggle. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and community!
 
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