Beautiful Annulments...

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This is not my situation. I’m not married yet.

Sorry folks but the overall “vibe”. I’m getting here is…

Well Bob cheated therefore he deserves it. He made the choice and now is marriage is validly considered nulled. Sorry but that’s not a just reason for Bob’s annullment.

Let’s say Bob didn’t cheat and he has his marriage like he wants! In this senario him and his “wife” are still together in what would otherwise be considered an false marriage. They would both die adulterers!

Very dissapointed in the lack of honest assessment surrounding Bob. I think the message got across, it’s just a shame that so many Catholics accept what’s going on in our Church with no outcry simply because they wanna keep having sex and to “find another spouse”.

All of whom will answer to God in the last days.
 
I pray for all the Bob’s out there. For all the devout Catholics who have valid marriages and “gave it their all” only to be thrown at the tribunals and to be told their marriages were false. What a horrific place for someone to be in.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee…blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our deaths. Amen
 
Polluted said:
This is not my situation. I’m not married yet.

Sorry folks but the overall “vibe”. I’m getting here is…

Well Bob cheated therefore he deserves it. He made the choice and now is marriage is validly considered nulled. Sorry but that’s not a just reason for Bob’s annullment.

Let’s say Bob didn’t cheat and he has his marriage like he wants! In this senario him and his “wife” are still together in what would otherwise be considered an false marriage. They would both die adulterers!

Very dissapointed in the lack of honest assessment surrounding Bob. I think the message got across, it’s just a shame that so many Catholics accept what’s going on in our Church with no outcry simply because they wanna keep having sex and to “find another spouse”.

All of whom will answer to God in the last days.
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You don’t seem to understand the annulment process. 1ke could probably recommend some sites or books for you. Much like police won’t spontaneously investigate my apartment, married couples enjoy the favor of the law. But if an issue does arise and someone asks for it to be investigated, a proverbial meth lab may be found, and that should not be ignored.

Refusing to declare an invalid marriage as such would mean that the church was keeping a couple in a permenant extramarital sexual relationship, and that would be enormously problematic.

But part of me thinks you realize this and like the controversy.
 
Bob wasn’t exactly “giving it his all” when he was committing adultery :rolleyes:

No, Bob’s adultery doesn’t equal an annulment. Bob’s adultery led to a divorce during which the marriage was investigated and found to be invalid at the time of the wedding. Ann was then free to marry another man.

Lou
 
Polluted said:
So Bob cheats, and SUDDENLY now that there is another man in the picture suddenly something in Ann’s mind clicks that makes her remember SOMETHING that might make the marriage nulled?

A little coincidental don’t ya say??? Where was this burst of insight the first 25 years of marriage? Why didn’t it flood her brain after the birth of their 1st child? Or the 7th? OR THE 9TH!

I thought is Catholics pride ourselves on reason and intellect as well as our faith? Why is the critical thinking shut off all of the sudden because Bob (who is an alcoholic now) commited adultry ONCE. You people do realize his alcoholism has nothing to do with the validity of his marriage right?
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Reason tells us that purgatory exists even for confessed and absolved sins because there is still a price to be paid for sin after confession and penance. ‘I absolve you’ and a few Our Fathers and Hail Marys doesn’t completely repair the damage or pay the price for adultery.

Adultery is a most serious betrayal of trust, sometimes to the extent that that trust, and therefore the relationship can never be properly restored. That destruction of the relationship may well be a natural consequence of.the adultery and part of the irreparable damage caused by it.

In such circunstances it may be entirely appropriate and prudent (prudence being one of the seven cardinal virtues to be practiced by all Christians) both to separate and divorce civilly.

Yes, an investigation of the validity of a relationship often comes along with a wish to form.a new relationship. Just like the validity of a will is usually examined after a person dies and the will is due to come into effect, not when it is made. The desire to enter into a new relationship, again, does not (or should not) affect the tribunal’s decision validity of the marriage). Some annulments are granted on the proviso that parties have counselling before entering a new marriage, so even an annulment is not automatically a green light to remarry.
 
Let’s think of it this way. Say Bob got the annulment and left his wife for the women he cheated on her with! Is suddenly Ann a martyr? Would THAT version cause you all to critically think about what’s going on? What if Ann remained single for the rest of her days and turn to cough syrup to numb the pain?

Why or why not? Why is Bob’s new marriage any less valid? Why is Ann shown sympathy?
 
Polluted said:
Let’s think of it this way. Say Bob got the annulment and left his wife for the women he cheated on her with! Is suddenly Ann a martyr? Would THAT version cause you all to critically think about what’s going on?

Why or why not? Why is Bob’s new marriage any less valid? Why is Ann shown sympathy?
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He would have to civilly divorce and then seek annulment, and no, that doesn’t make her a martyr. The principle would still be the same - they were never married.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
He would have to civilly divorce and then seek annulment, and no, that doesn’t make her a martyr. The principle would still be the same - they were never married.
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Never married eh? After 25 years, 9 kids, and their whole Church witnessing the Sacrament take place?

:rolleyes:
 
Polluted said:
I pray for all the Bob’s out there. For all the devout Catholics who have valid marriages and “gave it their all” only to be thrown at the tribunals and to be told their marriages were false. What a horrific place for someone to be in.
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WOW. Amen.
 
Polluted said:
Never married eh? After 25 years, 9 kids, and their whole Church witnessing the Sacrament take place?

:rolleyes:
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Well, considering that the annulment process doesn’t take into account the length of time married, children, and knows that the CC presumes all marriages as valid until investigated further…

I would say not.

Lou
 
Lou2U said:
Bob wasn’t exactly “giving it his all” when he was committing adultery :rolleyes:

No, Bob’s adultery doesn’t equal an annulment. Bob’s adultery led to a divorce during which the marriage was investigated and found to be invalid at the time of the wedding. Ann was then free to marry another man.

Lou
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Nor was he ‘giving it his all’ by taking to the bottle instead of a) staying sober, b) working on being the best person and father he could be and c) giving Ann cause to think that he had changed and grown and that their marriage might be worth another shot.
 
Polluted said:
Never married eh? After 25 years, 9 kids, and their whole Church witnessing the Sacrament take place?

:rolleyes:
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I was at a party once at a restaurant and another party was taking place at an adjacent table. It was a bachelorette dinner and the bride to be had been living with the groom for 10 years and they had 4 kids. The amount of kids and length of a relationship are not proof of a valid or invalid marriage.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Yep. And if an annulment was granted, it wasn’t because of adultery. My marriage is invalid in the eyes of your church. 25 years and 9 kids would not make it valid or even be evidence that it is.
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Depending on the circumstances of your marriage, it MAY be considered valid. Non-Catholics are not bound by canon law. Therefore, assuming that a marriage between two non-Catholic people (regardless of whether or not they are baptized) is legally contracted, it is considered valid until proven otherwise, unless there is something glaringly obvious (such as a person already being married or divorced, or the two people being too closely related). Now, if they are not baptized, it’s a natural marriage, not a sacramental marriage, but that doesn’t make it any less of a valid marriage.
 
Maybe the reason of the annulment was that it was discovered that years prior Ann’s uncle Tony had a brief fling with Bob’s mom, and Bob is actually Ann’s first cousin.
When Ann applied for the annulment is when this information was revealed.
 
Polluted said:
Never married eh? After 25 years, 9 kids, and their whole Church witnessing the Sacrament take place?

:rolleyes:
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The philandering alcoholic who doesn’t take responsibility for any of his own actions or the consequences of them could very well have been hiding issues prior to the vows that would render them null. In fact, it seems likely.

Lies don’t become truth with witnesses, time, or children.
 
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