Beautiful Holy Queen

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theistgal said:
I’m a former poster at Byzcath who fled after the acrimoniousness and pettiness on daily display there caused me to lose my faith completely, for a while, anyway.

After a few months spending some “quiet time” at an atheist discussion board :rolleyes:, I finally regained my temporarily-lost faith, checked to see if Byzcath had improved in my absence (no!) and came here instead.

I remember you very well from Byzcath, Ung, and may I just say – A Simple Sinner, you have most certainly gained at least one friend - me. 🙂
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Welcome back home TheistGal! Any friend of God’s is a friend of mine!

So tell me this, do you feel the fact that a google search of Byzantine Catholic Church is going to lead a seeker straight to ByzCath is an asset or a set back these days?

Anyone who is surfing the net to find out about us, or maybe attends one of healthy parishes and wants to know more… When they do some research and land smack dab in the middle of that… What do you think they are going to do?

If I didn’t know any better and I thought that were representitive of the BCC, I would run like hell.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Welcome back home TheistGal! Any friend of God’s is a friend of mine!

So tell me this, do you feel the fact that a google search of Byzantine Catholic Church is going to lead a seeker straight to ByzCath is an asset or a set back these days?
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It would definitely a setback if they wind up in the Forums first. Though I just checked, Google directs them to the main page (www.byzcath.org)), which is actually quite nice and only has a small link to the forums way off on the right-hand side.

Perhaps someone at Catholic Answers who’s technologically fluent in these matters could arrange it so that this forum comes up at least second?

And just to get us back to the main topic of this thread, and not derail it further (as the wife of a garden railway enthusiast, I know all about “derailing”!), we sing many “paraliturgical” hymns, at our Byzantine Catholic church in Reseda, CA. before and after Liturgy and during Communion. I’ve most often heard “Beautiful Holy Queen” as an opening hymn on Saturday mornings. And our priest, a supporter of the revisions to the Divine Liturgy, is totally OK with it and has no problems with us continuing to use the hymns in the “blue Marian hymnal” as it’s usually called.
 
So tell me this, do you feel the fact that a google search of Byzantine Catholic Church is going to lead a seeker straight to ByzCath is an asset or a set back these days?
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Anyone who is surfing the net to find out about us, or maybe attends one of healthy parishes and wants to know more… When they do some research and land smack dab in the middle of that… What do you think they are going to do?
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If I didn’t know any better and I thought that were representitive of the BCC, I would run like hell.
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The forum on Byz Cath seems to me anyways to be a better one to read than participate. I do notice on that forum of the large number that are members it seems to me only a small portion post with any regularity and there are probably lots more who have never even posted at all.
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Both fora certainly have strengths and weaknesses. The polemic may be different but as a previous poster well observed there are few places Eastern Catholics or Eastern Catholicism is discussed in detail. There is no lack of hot topics, negative comments and personal attacks here, either. I appreciate both of them for different reasons, and enjoy them both.
FDRLB
 
Why would it be a setback? Both fora have some excellent and some negative aspects - I don’t see one as triumphantly superior to the other, and greatly enjoy both.
Is anyone familiar with the hymn “Beautiful Holy Queen” ? I find the hymns of the Ruthenian Rite very beautiful and moving (my last two posts were concerning hymns.)
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There is indeed a beautiful hymnographic tradition amongst the Carpathian and Kyivan churches. “Viruyu Hospodi” is probably my favorite as a Communion hymn, and my favorite Marian hymn is probably “O Spomohaiy nas, Divo, Mariye”.
FDRLB
 
dvdjs said:
I offer my most sincere welcome - even if long belated - to Aramis, A Simple Sinner, and MoreThan1Hat and any others who, later in life, have joined the BCC - to which I also belong. I am sorry that you will encounter some that seem to feel that pedigree rather than cogency is the important qualification for having a voice in matters.

And for he record, for those who do care: I say this as a cradle member of the BCC. And the son, grandson, …, of cradle members of the BCC - back to the Carpathians.
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Thanks…

For me, it was a return to family roots. My great grandfather emigrated from Poland with icons in tow, and was Catholic. My grandfather’s Polish was heavily Russified. For me, it feels like home.

Either they were Cossacks or Rusyns… can’t tell which.

And as another poster pointed out, what we BCCers do isn’t terribly “Russian”, not terribly “Greek”, is very Catholic, generally somewhat Eastern, and darned American. And it works for most of us.
 
from the cantor’s companion:
Once all of the verses of the Communion Hymn have been exhausted, the “Liturgical and
Scriptural Hymns” given near the end of the Divine Liturgies book may be used as time allows.
Very fitting are “Accept me today as a partaker” and the Polyeleos. Also fitting at a Divine
Liturgy that is served in the evening is “Make us worthy.”
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The assertion that the singing of the traditional hymns at communion is forbidden is absurd, since it is on page 21 of the cantor’s companion that it is allowed.
 
Aramis said:
from the cantor’s companion:

The assertion that the singing of the traditional hymns at communion is forbidden is absurd, since it is on page 21 of the cantor’s companion that it is allowed.
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The assertion made was that paraliturgical hymns are forbidden during Communion. The RDL pew book, the cantor’s companion book, the Council of Hierarch’s promulgation, the bishop’s spoken direction to cantors, and the Metropolitan Institutes’s website all clearly state this. Why are you trying to twist this into anything more?
 
Woodstock said:
The assertion made was that paraliturgical hymns are forbidden during Communion. The RDL pew book, the cantor’s companion book, the Council of Hierarch’s promulgation, the bishop’s spoken direction to cantors, and the Metropolitan Institutes’s website all clearly state this. Why are you trying to twist this into anything more?
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Woodstock,

You are correct, no one in the “Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America” is singing the Communion para-liturgical hymns. Something about not being in the “Helenic usage” so we are NOT to sing them during Communion. If not at Communion, at what other times would one sing “Communion Hymns”?

U-C
 
theistgal said:
… we sing many “paraliturgical” hymns, at our Byzantine Catholic church in Reseda, CA.
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Just wanted to correct myself before anyone else did - our church is in Sherman Oaks, NOT Reseda! (I waited too long to edit the post - sorry!):o
 
Woodstock,
You are correct, no one in the “Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America” is singing the Communion para-liturgical hymns. Something about not being in the “Helenic usage” so we are NOT to sing them during Communion. If not at Communion, at what other times would one sing “Communion Hymns”?
U-C
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I wouldn’t be foolish enough to even suggest eliminating “Viruyu” or other such beautiful gems from our UGCC practice - I’m old enough to remember the fracus over the New Calendar; with the resulting Old Calendar parish now being far the largest in our Eparchy.
FDRLB
 
Diak said:
I wouldn’t be foolish enough to even suggest eliminating “Viruyu” or other such beautiful gems from our UGCC practice - I’m old enough to remember the fracus over the New Calendar; with the resulting Old Calendar parish now being far the largest in our Eparchy.
FDRLB
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Diak,

I guess those of us in the “Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America” better be quiet and behave like good little Catholics, and

PAY, OBEY and PRAY what ever way the tell us!:gopray2: :gopray2:

U-C
 
Ungcsertez said:
Diak,

I guess those of us in the “Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America” better be quiet and behave like good little Catholics, and

PAY, OBEY and PRAY what ever way the tell us!:gopray2: :gopray2:

U-C
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So what’s so wrong with trying to behave like a “good little Catholic”? Shouldn’t all of us be trying to do that? :confused:
 
Ungcsertez said:
In my “Sui Juris” Church in the last year, yes.

U-C
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So when you said:
I guess those of us in the “Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America” better be quiet and behave like good little Catholics, and
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PAY, OBEY and PRAY what ever way the tell us!
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you didn’t mean the word “Catholic” to sound like an insult? Because it did, to me.
 
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