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I was wondering that because there are athiests does that prove there is God?
No but the fact that the most ardent God deniers out there (atheists) can’t get God out of their head proves God.I was wondering that because there are athiests does that prove there is God?
That’s a great thought! I’m reminded of the saying:I was wondering that because there are athiests does that prove there is God?
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is sadness, joy.There are atheists because WE don’t believe in God enough, not because they don’t believe in God.
Were we to really live as other Christs, there’d be very few atheists.
It’s our lack of love, our lack of sacrifice, our lack of faith. It’s our lukewarmness.
…No?I was wondering that because there are athiests does that prove there is God?
You have totally confused atheism with agnosticism.I think your question is based on a misunderstanding of what atheism is. Everyone talks about God because for at least believers, God is of fundamental importance to them. And how else are we to refer to belief in God without saying God? If you said Flying Spaghetti Monster, even to question his doctrine or reality, are you not acknowledging the Tentacled One’s existence?
Atheism is not a negative stance - denying, rejecting, refusing to believe - it is an epistemological position where knowledge is based on evidence. A distinction is maintained between evidence and faith (which I think is still maintained in various ways by the devout), and I would like to see how it is possible to demonstrate the accuracy of knowledge that arises directly from faith. What is one belief against another? Can you prove I’m wrong to have faith in the FSM? It is the atheist and the committed Christian together who say “But wait! Evidence shows that Jesus did [this], or [that]! It’s not merely belief, we have reasons to believe what we do.” Atheists and Christians differ on whether that evidence is compelling, and what it means.
I’ve always thought of agnosticism as being a subset of atheism. For example, if someone asked me, “Does God exist?” my honest answer would be, “I don’t know.” So, I guess that would make me an agnostic. On the other hand, if someone asked me, “Do you believe God exists?” I would have to answer “No.” While I acknowledge the possibility of God’s existence, this acknowledgment does not rise to the level of belief. This denial of belief would also make me an atheist.Correction: what I was thinking whilst I was writing was not agnostic. By my own reckoning to do with evidence, I have no reason to believe in God. I think my statement permits agnosticism too, but honestly I haven’t the faintest idea what an agnostic thought is and how it differs from my own atheistic thoughts.
Hmmm idk about your statement: just because there are deniers doesn’t prove the existence of God.No but the fact that the most ardent God deniers out there (atheists) can’t get God out of their head proves God.![]()
I’ll try to make my pt.Athiests don’t say that I don’t know if there is a god,they say there is no god.If I say to you there was a car parked at the corner and you say I don’t believe there was a car parked at the corner.Are you admitting there is such thing as a car?If you said “what is a car”?I would believe that you don’t know what a car is.But since you said "i don’t believe there was a car there,you know that there is such a thing as a car.I don’t believe in fairies. Does that prove they exist?
I think what follows from “I don’t know/It can’t be known” is “Let’s not presume to know” which gives rise to my lack of belief ie atheism. I do have a slightly different view though, one which is softer as atheism than agnosticism would be. I don’t think it is categorically impossible to know whether God exists, just that as yet we don’t have good enough reason to believe.For two more cents: from dictionary.com:
—Synonyms
Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds.
In classic usage, an atheist denys that there is a G-d. The agnostic says, “I don’t know.”
What would be a “good enough reason to believe”?I think what follows from “I don’t know/It can’t be known” is “Let’s not presume to know” which gives rise to my lack of belief ie atheism. I do have a slightly different view though, one which is softer as atheism than agnosticism would be. I don’t think it is categorically impossible to know whether God exists, just that as yet we don’t have good enough reason to believe.
You don’t know what atheism is, or you’re just denying what you DO know.I think your question is based on a misunderstanding of what atheism is. Everyone talks about God because for at least believers, God is of fundamental importance to them. And how else are we to refer to belief in God without saying God? If you said Flying Spaghetti Monster, even to question his doctrine or reality, are you not acknowledging the Tentacled One’s existence?
Atheism is not a negative stance - denying, rejecting, refusing to believe - it is an epistemological position where knowledge is based on evidence. A distinction is maintained between evidence and faith (which I think is still maintained in various ways by the devout), and I would like to see how it is possible to demonstrate the accuracy of knowledge that arises directly from faith. What is one belief against another? Can you prove I’m wrong to have faith in the FSM? It is the atheist and the committed Christian together who say “But wait! Evidence shows that Jesus did [this], or [that]! It’s not merely belief, we have reasons to believe what we do.” Atheists and Christians differ on whether that evidence is compelling, and what it means.