Been a Muslim for 23 years, I would like to clear misconceptions you have

[Randy_Carson]

It is Muslims that protect the Qur’an from corruption by assuring a word is never changed. This is the verse. Allah is saying his words can never be changed. So Muslims must protect the Qur’an from interpolation or any such things.

Wouldn’t Jews do the same for their scriptures?

Wouldn’t Christians do the same for ours?

Jakubb, you’re not actually providing evidence for why our Bible is corrupt…you’re just asserting it is corrupt.

And you’re using double-standards which either don’t hold up under scrutiny or lead to the very real possibility that your scriptures are just as corrupted as ours and for the same reasons.

 

[Jakubb]

What, in your estimation, would define a religion as “weak”? Lacking truth? Lacking faithful adherents? Then would you say that most religions are man-made? Is the strongest religion the one, in your estimation, that contains the most truth, or that has the most adherents, or that has come along most recently (so it didn’t have time to get corrupted like those, supposedly, that were abrogated)? Must you be aggressive to be strong? As a Christian I would define strength as spiritual, not physical. It is the strength of my love for Christ and others that truly matters.

Hello Betsy

Weak meaning unable to defend itself, unable to defend it’s core message. Islam is powerful. Where as in the world you can see how propaganda works. People get easily manipulated. If you allow people to be manipulated then they can be manipulated to see Islam as false or to convert to a new religion. You can allow people to attack Muslim lands. But Islam is set up powerfully to defend itself from these things.

Many religions that were weak are no longer around for this reason. Islam is complete, it is designed to cover everything including these points.

 

[joe371]

Wouldn’t Jews do the same for their scriptures?

Wouldn’t Christians do the same for ours?

Jakubb, you’re not actually providing evidence for why our Bible is corrupt…you’re just asserting it is corrupt.

And you’re using double-standards which either don’t hold up under scrutiny or lead to the very real possibility that your scriptures are just as corrupted as ours and for the same reasons.

Exactly…

I thought the Qur’an could be used to prove the authenticity of the holy Bible:

Sura 46:12: “Yet before it (the Qur’an) there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur’an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue…”

 

[Randy_Carson]

It is Muslims that protect the Qur’an from corruption by assuring a word is never changed. This is the verse. Allah is saying his words can never be changed. So Muslims must protect the Qur’an from interpolation or any such things.

You said that Jesus and Jesus’s Disciples were Muslims. Why couldn’t they protect the Injil?

Jakubb-

dronald makes a good point. If Jesus and his followers were Muslim, why were they unable to protect the Word of Allah given to Moses and David in the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospels, but Muslims WERE/ARE able to protect the Word of Allah given to Muhammad?

What has changed? Certainly not Allah since He does not change, right?

Do you see how this might appear to be just a little too convenient to be believable?

 

[Jakubb]

Wouldn’t Jews do the same for their scriptures?

Wouldn’t Christians do the same for ours?

Jakubb, you’re not actually providing evidence for why our Bible is corrupt…you’re just asserting it is corrupt.

And you’re using double-standards which either don’t hold up under scrutiny or lead to the very real possibility that your scriptures are just as corrupted as ours and for the same reasons.

The Qur’an specifically told Muslims Allah’s words cannot be changed. So Muslims have made sure not a word from the Qur’an has been altered, interpolated or changed.

If you trust the bible is authentic, you can. I was not there when it was interpolated, I trust Allah.

 

[DMITRIYL]

Do you have any actual evidence for the authenticity of the quran? I mean, if you trust it, you must have a reason?

 

[joe371]

Hello Betsy

Weak meaning unable to defend itself, unable to defend it’s core message. Islam is powerful. Where as in the world you can see how propaganda works. People get easily manipulated. If you allow people to be manipulated then they can be manipulated to see Islam as false or to convert to a new religion. You can allow people to attack Muslim lands. But Islam is set up powerfully to defend itself from these things. Many religions that were weak are no longer around for this reason. Islam is complete, it is designed to cover everything including these points.

OK. The same can be said from the Christian perspective - right?

Where in the Qur’an is there even a suggestion that the biblical text has been altered or corrupted, or that the authors of the New Testament were responsible for altering or corrupting said NT books? Moreover, what I have gleaned is that the Qur’an actually attests the validity of the Pentateuch and the Christian writings.

 

[Jakubb]

Exactly…

I thought the Qur’an could be used to prove the authenticity of the holy Bible:

Sura 46:12: “Yet before it (the Qur’an) there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur’an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue…”

You can watch this and you will see youtube.com/watch?v=tcydNyg6GHI

 

[joe371]

You can watch this and you will see youtube.com/watch?v=tcydNyg6GHI

Please, just use your own words to address the post, if you don’t mind?

I thought the Qur’an could be used to prove the authenticity of the holy Bible:

Sura 46:12: “Yet before it (the Qur’an) there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur’an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue…”

 

[DMITRIYL]

Jakubb, please respond to my posts. Post #221 and 190.

 

[Jakubb]

Do you have any actual evidence for the authenticity of the quran? I mean, if you trust it, you must have a reason?

It is the only religion that makes sense. Holy trinity makes no sense.

Muhammad said he was the final messenger. Nowhere did Jesus say he was the last prophet and nowhere did Jesus say he was God.

 

[Jakubb]

Please, just use your own words to address the post, if you don’t mind?

I thought the Qur’an could be used to prove the authenticity of the holy Bible:

Sura 46:12: “Yet before it (the Qur’an) there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur’an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue…”

Yes the Qur’an is the final word of Allah. The final message. Christianity is after Judaism and Islam is after Christianity.

 

[joe371]

It is the only religion that makes sense. Holy trinity makes no sense.

Muhammad said he was the final messenger. Nowhere did Jesus say he was the last prophet and nowhere did Jesus say he was God.

Not true: Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Even if Jesus said he was God, you wouldn’t believe it right?

 

[betsybug354]

Hello Betsy

Weak meaning unable to defend itself, unable to defend it’s core message. Islam is powerful. Where as in the world you can see how propaganda works. People get easily manipulated. If you allow people to be manipulated then they can be manipulated to see Islam as false or to convert to a new religion. You can allow people to attack Muslim lands. But Islam is set up powerfully to defend itself from these things.

Many religions that were weak are no longer around for this reason. Islam is complete, it is designed to cover everything including these points.

If Islam is as powerful as you claim, then why has it been so deeply divided since the first 50 years of its founding? Even a cursory reading of history reveals that various Muslim sects have been at each others’ throats for the past 1400 years. It seems that such a powerful religion should be able to achieve a long-lasting peace, especially among its own adherents.

 

[Jakubb]

Not rue: Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Even if Jesus said he was God, you wouldn’t believe it right?

This is not from Jesus(pbuh) I don’t know who said that but if it is Paul then it is false he is not a prophet but a liar.

 

[joe371]

Yes the Qur’an is the final word of Allah. The final message. Christianity is after Judaism and Islam is after Christianity.

OK. I know you believe that the Qur’an is the final word of Allah - the final message. Yes, Christianity is the continuation of Judaism and Islam came after Christianity. I ask again, if you don’t mind. Why would the Qur’an affirm the authority of the Book of Moses, if it is corrupt?

I thought the Qur’an could be used to prove the authenticity of the holy Bible:

Sura 46:12: “Yet before it (the Qur’an) there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur’an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue…”

 

[joe371]

This is not from Jesus(pbuh) I don’t know who said that but if it is Paul then it is false he is not a prophet but a liar.

OK. Just show me proof that it is false, and I will gladly concede. Just saying it does not make it so. I would never claim that the Qur’an was false; I cannot prove it - agreed my friend?

 

[dronald]

Why don’t Muslims ever come with historical evidence?

Serious question.

 

[dronald]

OK. Just show me proof that it is false, and I will gladly concede. Just saying it does not make it so. I would never claim that the Qur’an was false; I cannot prove it - agreed my friend?

Well there is the whole Uthman burning the Qurans thing.

 

[Jakubb]

OK. Just show me proof that it is false, and I will gladly concede. Just saying it does not make it so. I would never claim that the Qur’an was false; I cannot prove it - agreed my friend?

There were no prophets between Jesus(pbuh) and Muhammad(pbuh) Paul has no authority. Paul proved nothing to anybody. He was just a liar who interpolated the bible and the message of Jesus(pbuh)

The earliest followers of Christ practiced Islam not Christianity. Paul changed the message of Jesus(pbuh)