Been a Muslim for 23 years, I would like to clear misconceptions you have

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Yes, it is good that Muslims are serious about their religion. I wish all Christians were as serious about their own religion. Sometimes what seems good is not so, however, because in many Islamic countries the religion is mixed with the government so that you cannot tell if something is done from reverence for God, or because it’s meant to happen according to the rule of the religion, whether you believe it or not. In some Islamic countries everything closes temporarily for prayer times, so people go to pray because to not do so is to risk breaking the law. I do not think it would be a good idea for Christians to do the same thing, because this makes a lot of people resent the law and also hurts various sectors of the society (economic, tourist). If we go to church or if we pray the 7 prayers of the day, it is for our own souls and to pray for the world, not because some religious police will hassle us for doing something else. It’s a better system for Christians because we are responsible to the law from inside our own hearts and minds (in our commitment to live by it, and to struggle with it, like the fathers did), not the state, and all states eventually fail but God does not.

But yes, not absolutely everything about Islam is bad. I only wanted to say why Islam is more attractive to westerners, because Jakubb mentioned a lot of western people converting. It is based not on Islam being good for society (not all of it), but on the way people are made to look at Islam when they don’t know how it actually is integrated into the society and its laws. Probably if you asked people about the Sharia without telling them where it came from, non-Muslims would all say it can’t happen, but again the Muslim takes this as a “misconception” about the true beauty and perfection of Islam, instead of something that it is right for the people who would be most oppressed by it to say “no” about. So maybe Jakubb came here hoping to show us how beautiful and perfect Islam is, but was not prepared for people to question that. It is too bad, really. We could have learned more from each other, even without convincing anyone to change their mind.
 
Tomdstone said:
There are a couple of nice things about Islam:
Muslims pray 5 times a day, which indicates their reverence toward God.
Muslims protest any blasphemous use of the name or image of their prophet.
Muslim women dress very modestly, even at the beach.
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I wonder if Muslim men ave to dress very modestly, even at the beach?
 
joe371 said:
I wonder if Muslim men ave to dress very modestly, even at the beach?
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It varies by country, and even within a country. There are some places that are less strict even within Saudi Arabia, like Jeddah (a port city, so you can see whole families out on the beach swimming, and the women have special Islamic bikini that is still covering everything, but lets them move easier). But still both men and women are very conservative there. But then you can go to a place like Lebanon and it would be hard to know on the beach who is Muslim and who is Christian! My friends in Jordan say it is the same in the more tourist, western areas of their country. It is only if some people feel personally more religious or conservative that they might cover up more in that environment. Or maybe not go at all.
 
Efnouti_Nai_Nan said:
It varies by country, and even within a country. There are some places that are less strict even within Saudi Arabia, like Jeddah (a port city, so you can see whole families out on the beach swimming, and the women have special Islamic bikini that is still covering everything, but lets them move easier). But still both men and women are very conservative there. But then you can go to a place like Lebanon and it would be hard to know on the beach who is Muslim and who is Christian! My friends in Jordan say it is the same in the more tourist, western areas of their country. It is only if some people feel personally more religious or conservative that they might cover up more in that environment. Or maybe not go at all.
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Are there any very religious Muslims, particularly women, who wouldn’t go to the beach at all, especially when there are both men and women there? I ask this because I know that is the case for some Orthodox Jewish women.
 
Yes. Sometimes you even hear the Islamic preacher on tv and they will use the beach as an example of a place to stay away from because of the way people are dressed and they think people are committing sins there (and some are against the cinema or other places for similar reasons). But some Muslims will go to the beach modestly anyway. It is just like how there are different Christians or Jews or any other religion. Some people won’t go, but others will go. If the person is really strict, they are less likely to approve. It is sensible.
 
Randy_Carson said:
And yet, Google and other sites report that Muslim countries are high in traffic for porn.

foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/

So, the hypocrisy is that Muslim men demand that Muslim women cover EVERYTHING except their eyes, but then they go online and look at women who are completely nude.

This does NOT impress me.
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There is also an alcohol ban in Saudi Arabia, so they just drive to Bahrain to party. My husband was deployed there, but lived out in town and would complain all the time about that.

They find loopholes to get what they want. :rolleyes:
 
Jakubb said:
I believe there is a lot of misinformation about Islam in the world, so please ask any questions, I studied very hard theologically about Islam so I can answer almost anything accurately.
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Salaam!

Nice to meet you. May I ask, are you Sunni, Shi’a, Ibadi, or Ahmadiyya? What school of jurisprudence do you follow?

If you’re not a Shi’a, how do you interpret ahadith like the Oasis of Ghadir Khom or the Two Weighty Matters? I don’t understand why it seems like many early Sunni-Muslim jurists revile Ali and the other members of the Ahl al-Bayt when it seems like Mohammad fully meant to pass his succession on to Ali and then onwards from there.

Also, do you believe that each passage in the Quran has both an outer and inner, more esoteric meeting? If you’re Sunni, how do scholars reach Ijma/consensus now without any unified system of jurists under a Caliph?
 
Eric_Hilbert said:
Get off the Isis and beheading questions, this is not WN.
Stick to the OPs subject of religious issues.
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Brandon_Cal said:
That only mentions Pakistan, not “Muslim countries”.
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True. I chose that article because it is from a respected news source. If you want more details on the consumption of sex-related content by Muslim countries, Google it. It didn’t want to link to that because the facts laid out in some articles are not family-friendly. Viewer discretion is advised.

The connection to this thead is this: Muslim men give the appearance of wanting to be chaste by keeping their women under wraps, but they are more than willing to look online.

Thus, Islam seems to be impacting the externals without actually changing the sinfulness of the heart.
 
Randy_Carson said:
The connection to this thead is this: Muslim men give the appearance of wanting to be chaste by keeping their women under wraps, but they are more than willing to look online.

Thus, Islam seems to be impacting the externals without actually changing the sinfulness of the heart.
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The sermon given by a Moslem Cleric in Australia 9 years ago likened a woman with her head uncovered to a plate of exposed meat.Sheik Hilali was quoted as saying: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside … without cover, and the cats come to eat it … whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [the headdress worn by some Muslim women], no problem would have occurred."
What I found incredibly ironic was the fact that he inadvertently likened Moslem men to animals driven by base instincts, and not rational creatures capable of self control 🤷
 
prodromos said:
The sermon given by a Moslem Cleric in Australia 9 years ago likened a woman with her head uncovered to a plate of exposed meat.Sheik Hilali was quoted as saying: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside … without cover, and the cats come to eat it … whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [the headdress worn by some Muslim women], no problem would have occurred."
What I found incredibly ironic was the fact that he inadvertently likened Moslem men to animals driven by base instincts, and not rational creatures capable of self control 🤷
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So, women are just meat.

Are there suras in the Qur’an that are more respectful to women?
 
prodromos said:
The sermon given by a Moslem Cleric in Australia 9 years ago likened a woman with her head uncovered to a plate of exposed meat.Sheik Hilali was quoted as saying: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside … without cover, and the cats come to eat it … whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [the headdress worn by some Muslim women], no problem would have occurred."
What I found incredibly ironic was the fact that he inadvertently likened Moslem men to animals driven by base instincts, and not rational creatures capable of self control 🤷
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That is just repellent. I agree, so I guess males simply have no responsibility for their own conduct and actions? If a beautiful nude woman was walking down the street drunk as a skunk that still does not make it the woman’s fault. Men are still responsible for their own actions. However, our religion has not always been the most enlightened either and I am sure if you were to go through every statement given by Catholic priest or protestant preachers over the last 300 years I am sure you could find something as equally outrageous. We have however come quite a long way and the Muslim world needs to catch up.
 
Eric_Hilbert said:
**Let’s try this again. This is not brain surgery people.
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Okay,
Wow,
So I read your rules, and I absolutely violated your rule of questioning the other person’s motive, which is a rule you posted.
I did not read your rules on talking to people of other faiths.
I did not.
I have no defence for not reading your rules, except maybe being lullled into a false set of certainties, that I could not make a mistake here, because I have not made a mistake on any other subject (hopefully) before, this incident.
To all of you, including the original poster of the question, I made a mistake. I am most sorry that I questioned this man’s motives in a blanket insulting way. The insult and the insinuation that was in error, was to say that all people are a certain way. That is false, and probably will always be false. Also, I may have made other errors with a man who is nothing internally but nice and lovely, and I did not at the time think this was true.
Even though I have much experience, this is and was still and error. I was correctly called on it. There are so many correct and nice ways to say the same thing, and so many ways to delve into motives I also did not do that here.
Thank-you.
…Curtis/K P… Heimberg.
 
if or when disagreement arises about the correct meaning of verses in the Koran, how is the correct meaning determined and by whom?
 
eddie_too said:
if or when disagreement arises about the correct meaning of verses in the Koran, how is the correct meaning determined and by whom?
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This question can’t be answered because Muslims aren’t supposed to question,such things.

MJ
 
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