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presidentjlh
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I think that would be a fair statement, although, of course, that is very subjective, as there’s no real gauge for measuring how much alcohol is lowering your inhibitions.
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lynnehelen
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Yes, I find that less is more with coffee.“All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial…” St. Paul, I believe.
And as a coffee-lover/recovering addict, coffee can have many harmful effects on the body - especially on the adrenal system. Adrenal fatigue/dysfunction is a REAL though undiagnosed problem in American society, due to an extremely stressful lifestyle and TOO much caffeine. I drink decaf now because I still feel I “need” something in the morning. Yeah, it’s staining my teeth. My dentist told me to get off coffee because of my TMJ and he said it was not about the caffeine. He said it had something to do with COFFEE and how it works.
Like alcohol, some can drink it, but we really shouldn’t indulge like the culture does. Cigarettes are just wack!God bless!
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lynnehelen
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This is life-saving information. I have been so worried about smoking for so long, for some good reasons but also for some which, I find here, are spurious. As I said, I thought that my smoking automatically disqualified me as a bona fide Christian.
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lynnehelen
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GOD BLESS YOU! REBEL against the tyranny of the modern medical industry.
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AHapka
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You say that is as if it is an absolute. Not everyone agrees with the 21 year old drinking age. Some of us think it should be 18. And if it’s all so good for you, you are actually making a stronger point for the lower age.
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AHapka
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At least he gave wine in one well known instance to a select group of lucky people
I’ve wondered what that wine tasted like? It must have been really, really good…
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J_Peterson
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I kind of know what you’re talking about. I spent 23 years as a smoker and finally managed to give it up this past lent. I still pretty much need a cigarette at least once a day. I have been allowing myself an occasional cigar, trying not to let that develop into a habit though. It really is awful the way it steals your will.
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thewanderer
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Thank you for pointing this out! The US is the only country that I know of that make drinking illegal for 21 yr olds. It is not a universal agreement. I know this is a little off topic, but I think it is a bad idea to have a complete cut off at a particular age. I think that a cut off age is important, but that those under that age should be allowed to drink under the supervision of their parent/guardian because if alcohal is seen less as some forbidden fruit that they will finally have acces to at a specific age, its a lot more likely that they will abuse it. If it is something that is naturally introduced in moderation within the setting of their own family they are much more likely to have a healthy attitude towards it.
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brian24
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I just have to say, I do agree with what most people have said about drug use. There is one thing that I think always gets exaggerated when talking about marijuana.
Yes, it is inhaling combusted material, and from that it necessarily is not as healthy as not smoking.
Yes, smoking marijuana can lead to impairment of the mental faculties, but it is not necessarily so.
Yes, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and should be treated as such. I believe the person who brought up skydiving and activities similar to that brought up a great point that I had never thought about before. I
When people say, and I don’t recall it being said here but I have heard it many times, is that you can have 1 beer and be fine, but any amount of marijuana is impairing, this is simply not true.
I drifted away from my faith for a few years, and in that time I smoked marijuana to what I believe is excess. Nowadays, I smoke on a rare occasion, usually not more than once a week and usually much less often than that. I do confess it and use it less often than I used to do to that, but I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that I can smoke marijuana to a point where I feel closer to God and not impaired in my mental faculties. My prayers can be more genuine, and said with more clarity. There is a fine line between that point and smoking too much, but it is not hard to learn. Those who cannot distinguish that line probably should not use it, but to say it is necessarily bad for every person (people have different gifts given by God, temperance can be one of them) is a bit fallacious.
Recent research on marijuana use and lung function Journal of American Medical Association
Yes, it is inhaling combusted material, and from that it necessarily is not as healthy as not smoking.
Yes, smoking marijuana can lead to impairment of the mental faculties, but it is not necessarily so.
Yes, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and should be treated as such. I believe the person who brought up skydiving and activities similar to that brought up a great point that I had never thought about before. I
When people say, and I don’t recall it being said here but I have heard it many times, is that you can have 1 beer and be fine, but any amount of marijuana is impairing, this is simply not true.
I drifted away from my faith for a few years, and in that time I smoked marijuana to what I believe is excess. Nowadays, I smoke on a rare occasion, usually not more than once a week and usually much less often than that. I do confess it and use it less often than I used to do to that, but I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that I can smoke marijuana to a point where I feel closer to God and not impaired in my mental faculties. My prayers can be more genuine, and said with more clarity. There is a fine line between that point and smoking too much, but it is not hard to learn. Those who cannot distinguish that line probably should not use it, but to say it is necessarily bad for every person (people have different gifts given by God, temperance can be one of them) is a bit fallacious.
Recent research on marijuana use and lung function Journal of American Medical Association
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jimmy
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Threads like this are what make Christians look crazy. It seems that the lunatic fringe has taken over Christianity. I had a philosophy teacher who once said that the problems of modern society are caused by conservatism, people don’t know how to be animals anymore. At first I didn’t agree with it but the more I think about it the more I realize it is true. Everything is sinful, or you have to atleast question whether it is.
There is something called the golden mean. Virtue is the mean between two extremes. It doesn’t matter what the extreme is, it isn’t good. To be obsessively ascetical and moralistic is an extreme that has become a vice.
There is something called the golden mean. Virtue is the mean between two extremes. It doesn’t matter what the extreme is, it isn’t good. To be obsessively ascetical and moralistic is an extreme that has become a vice.
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andrewstx
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Jimmy I think the problem is the huge influence that Puritanism has had on American culture, and then the total abstinenence movement which gave us prohibition.
The Latin Catholic church brought into that fully, with many Latins in their parishes signing “the pledge”. To this day there are big parts of the south that are still “dry”. The county I live in is dry. It is illegal to sell or purchase any alcohol here. But there are ways to get around the legal issue with country clubs,shriners, moose and other private clubs.
Yet everytime there is a liqour election the county stays dry. There is a lot of money involved the ones who can sell liqour legally, the private clubs want no competition.
In the campaigns the dries keep bringing up the safety issues, but they never mention all the people who die in crashes driving back drinking from the next county which is “wet”.
Puritanism has been defined as the fear that someone, somewhere, might be having pleasure. And America is full of Puritanism, even Latin Catholics.
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insideitall
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I agree with the “it’s how you use it” camp.
when people “need” coffee in the morning, or a ciggarette, it’s because they’ve allowed themselves to become addicted to caffeine/nicotine.
when people “need” alcohol to enjoy themselves in social situations it’s because they’ve become addicted to feeling slightly less inhibited.
when people “need” to go shopping/gambling, it’s because they’ve become addicted to the thrill those activities provide.
I really dislike that our society finds it completely acceptable to be addicted to these things but then expects everyone else to pick up the tab for the consequences.
when people “need” coffee in the morning, or a ciggarette, it’s because they’ve allowed themselves to become addicted to caffeine/nicotine.
when people “need” alcohol to enjoy themselves in social situations it’s because they’ve become addicted to feeling slightly less inhibited.
when people “need” to go shopping/gambling, it’s because they’ve become addicted to the thrill those activities provide.
I really dislike that our society finds it completely acceptable to be addicted to these things but then expects everyone else to pick up the tab for the consequences.
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GEddie
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Well… In my personal experience, the best wine I have ever had was in Galilee, Israel. And I imagine that wine that had been under HIS hands would be 1000 times betterAt least he gave wine in one well known instance to a select group of lucky people
I’ve wondered what that wine tasted like? It must have been really, really good…
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TheRealJuliane
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Try Chantix. My sister’s been smoking for over 40 years, minus a few times when she’d quit for a little while. She’s been smoke-free for about 3 weeks now.
I am praying that it works permanently and she will finally stop. Our dad died of lung cancer.
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Armor_of_Light
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I hear that gives you very vivid, wierd dreams…the kind you have to convince yourself that it was a dream after you wake up. Freaks me out. I have to quit, too.Try Chantix. My sister’s been smoking for over 40 years, minus a few times when she’d quit for a little while. She’s been smoke-free for about 3 weeks now.
And Juliane- I apologize for being snide yesterday. Baaaad mood and internet anonimity.
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TheRealJuliane
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Oh, my. That’s not good. I know my sister did say it makes her nauseous, but I think nausea would be preferable short-term to get off the smokes.
You were snide yesterday?
I’m sorry, I didn’t notice! S’OK, it’s the internet.
(oh, now I remember the thread…it’s since been closed. I will pray for the OP, she is not in a good place right now.)
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Armor_of_Light
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Agreed. Prayers. For all us smokers.Oh, my. That’s not good. I know my sister did say it makes her nauseous, but I think nausea would be preferable short-term to get off the smokes. You were snide yesterday?
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jimmy
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That may be a big part of it, but frankly, it turns most people off including me. You are basically sinning by enjoying life and other people. To be a true Christian according to them you have litterally hate yourself. Themore you hats your life the better. It sounds more like areligion of Satan than of God.
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lynnehelen
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The problem with marijuana is that, because it is illegal in most states even for medical use, a culture surrounds it that draws many people toward it for the wrong reasons, and there are, obviously, serious, likely legal consequences, especially for the young, and worse. Much room form the Evil One. I say, if it has healing or legitmate entertainment value, like coffee at breakfast or wine at weddings, let it be legalized accordingly and the mystique and its dangers will disappear.
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TheRealJuliane
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And for you smokers as well. I smoked for years (probably 7 years total) but managed to finally quit. At one point I was up to nearly 2 packs a day!
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