Before Mass Silence

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Ha ha ahhha - ohhhh that’s a good one !
I have quietly resigned myself to the situation.
At least they don’t talk during mass -
(but they sometimes say something out loud during the homily - to the Priest)
I mean, they walk into church talking - sit down and talk -
fix the altar up - while talking - maybe I will video it on my phone -
Men - talk more than the women ! yap yap yap
I do sense they may be terribly lonely…their spouses don’t attend mass ever.
 
The development of the Latin Mass? Pope Benedict XVI developed it?
 
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We used to call this the “church hop” in Protestant churches–people would attend a church for a while and then leave, saying that they “weren’t being fed,” and this would be the pattern of their lives–always searching and never finding the Perfect Church.
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That is not totally a bad thing. The Catholic Church, for the most part, does allow people to attend the Mass of their choice, where they are more open to the grace of God. The oddity here is that most of the complaining are about what parishes do that one will never attend. That elevates grousing to a new level.
 
Excuse me. I posted a link further up from EWTN explaining why the hymn is not appropriate for Catholic Mass. It is not just my own personal interpretation.
You tempt me to respond to communion with Rome line but everytime I try to with any intelligent response on here the flags start flying and I’m getting a message from the moderator. So I’ll refrain from that.
 
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Excuse me. I posted a link further up from EWTN explaining why the hymn is not appropriate for Catholic Mass.
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Colin B. Donovan wrote the article. That he used the word “suggests” should be a clue that it does not say that man is totally deprave. Sure, it might suggest it to one who was looking for a reason to hate on the song, and who ignores the first person story the song conveys.

Likewise, I would recommend that Donovan ignores the actual meaning of the word “appeared,” as it is applied to the second verse. We have all had times in our life that the grace of God takes on an especially strong meaning to use, and “appearance” of being precious. That hardly is heretical.

Then he uses an “at best/at worst” statement that seals that he does not know what the language actual says, but is reading into it.
 
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It was written by a non Catholic. A person who openly hated the Catholic Church and denounced everything about it. Read some of his other writings.
The Catholic Church has plenty of its own traditional hymns that we do not need to be using these Protestant hymns.
 
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The Catholic Church has plenty of its own traditional hymns that we do not need to be using these Protestant hymns.
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I disagree. And I do, in fact use it. I have no problems are complaints. If you do not agree, then do not use it when you lead the music or pick the hymns.
 
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No, of course Pope Benedict didn’t develop the Latin Mass, and I definitely composed that sentence very poorly.

What Pope Benedict did was encourage the propagation of the Latin Mass in parishes all over the world, and that the Bishop did not have to offer his approval for a Latin Mass to be offered.

I hope that phrasing makes more sense. I could just quote from the Pope’s document, but I’m trying to phrase this in a simple way, although obviously my attempt ended up more confusing! Apologies for literary clumsiness.
 
Not sure if you were replying to me or someone else.

I have not made any criticisms of the Latin Mass. Nothing is wrong with Pope Benedict promoting the Latin Mass. It’s good that Catholics (and seekers) have the choice.

I had to look up the Latin (?) phrase that deMontfort posted, and I agree–it isn’t possible to prove that the “New Mass,” as you call it, is the cause of “91,000 nuns leaving their vocation and even more priests.” So many things happened in the world to up-end society, and many churches sustained damage. At least the Catholic Church remained true to Christ and His Word.
 
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I obviously knew what you meant. Just reading it made me laugh inside, and I’m sure when you re read it you did the same.🙂
 
You’ve never “shushed” before at church? I once did to my uncle’s friends. I don’t care if they know me. It would be followed by a much louder “Quiet!” if necessary.
 
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I don’t think old age, being hard of hearing, etc. are valid excuses for conversation in the nave. The rationale that older parishioners talk loudly before and after Mass because they are hard of hearing assumes that any talking at all is necessary. As far as the argument that it’s acceptable for seniors to use the Mass setting to “catch up” socially with others–absurd.
 
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Are you saying the fact that there are more saints from 1960 back than there are since 1960 are because of Latin, as opposed to such things as linear time, math, the process of canonization…?

This rather odd post sure seems like agenda posting, or am I missing some connection?
 
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Seniors who are hard of hearing have difficulty using a phone. Many older people no longer drive. Absurd or not mass is for many of them one of the few times they see other people. They are human. They catch up because they have no other human contact.
 
Certainly they should find time to chat. Just not in the pews before, during, or after Mass. There’s a time and place for everything and a need to be considerate of others who are trying to use the nave of the Church as intended–for prayer and communion with God. It doesn’t stop being a sacred time and space the moment the recessional is concluded.
 
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And there is no way that I would ever dream of reprimanding, admonishing, or thinking poorly of the seniors in my parish who do chat in the pews before or after Liturgy.
 
Why can’t people who want to pray and commune with God do so with noise around them?

Yes, it’s wonderful to have quiet. But we should cultivate the ability to shut out the noisy, impolite, irritating world around us and learn enter into the Presence of God and commune with Him no matter what is happening in our environment.

I remember reading a book about the Nazi concentration camps which described them as constantly noisy, never quiet. I’ve also watch a lot more “Datelines” on NBC than I probably should, but one thing that comes up often is that the people in jail are never able to experience “quiet.” And as someone who works in a hospital, I can personally state that hospitals are very noisy places, and even in the Chapel, you hear the “Codes” overhead, and the noise people walking up and down the halls.

All I’m saying is that noise in the nave before or after Mass is a perfect opportunity for us to practice deep prayer and devotion. It would be a useful skill to have if we should ever find ourselves in one of the situations above.

Yes, I know, everyone SHOULD be quiet. But haven’t we learned by now that lots of people don’t follow the rules. They never will. Things will never, ever be perfect on this earth, in any parish, Latin or English, no matter who the priest is. It just won’t happen. So make the best of it and stop getting mad because things aren’t going perfectly.
 
So…if the Mass setting gets noisy and chaotic that’s good, because…that’s how the (secular) world outside is. Got it. How can one refute such logic?
I give up!😄
 
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