Beheadings are nothing new

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soon they will feel the storm of God’s justice
Im equally disgusted by ISIS, but I wonder if they will feel God justice, look at Hitler, he did MUCH worse things than beheadings to alot more people, and still God never intervened…another case,look at how many babies have been aborted in the US alone since the 1970s, this is a much higher number than Hitler killed!!!..but again, God has yet to intervene, somehow, I doubt he will deal with iSIS if he has been a no show on all these other cases.
 
Im equally disgusted by ISIS, but I wonder if they will feel God justice, look at Hitler, he did MUCH worse things than beheadings to alot more people, and still God never intervened…another case,look at how many babies have been aborted in the US alone since the 1970s, this is a much higher number than Hitler killed!!!..but again, God has yet to intervene, somehow, I doubt he will deal with iSIS if he has been a no show on all these other cases.
God’s justice doesn’t have to mean divine intervention on earth. I think God’s judgment upon death is plenty fair enough.
 
Im equally disgusted by ISIS, but I wonder if they will feel God justice, look at Hitler, he did MUCH worse things than beheadings to alot more people, and still God never intervened…another case,look at how many babies have been aborted in the US alone since the 1970s, this is a much higher number than Hitler killed!!!..but again, God has yet to intervene, somehow, I doubt he will deal with iSIS if he has been a no show on all these other cases.
Did not hitler lose the war? Wasn’t communism miraculously overthrown in a short space of time? God intervenes! Just not in the way you expect. Have faith:)
 
While there are elements of what you describe in your post, this is not the driving force of what is playing out on the ground right now. While undoubtedly if it is not brought into check, it will spread to Christians and Jews, it is essentially a war within the two main stems of Islam.
That is correct as to the state of affairs between sunni and shia. They have battled against one another since the death of mohamed over succession. And like many zealots, the reigning group use any means at their disposal to further their agenda. The current group are intent on regaining an islamic caliphate across all of the traditional Arab lands. It will be interesting to see how Iran, and the House of Saud respond. But the intent to draw the west into a Religious war is being played to solidify the Sunni line.
But regardless of which faction is leading the charge, this battle will continue. Mohamed started with a sword, and with the sword they will continue. The current situation has it’s foundation partly in the results of the end of WW 1 and the division of the remnants of the Ottoman Turks. Add to that the carving up of areas with new borders forcing lifelong enemies into close proximity, one can see the beginning of disaster. Western hubris has laid much of the foundation for the current state of affairs, but this has been going on since the inception of islam, and will continue. Any devout muslim, who adheres to the koran and the Hadith, must do everything within their power to spread islam over the earth.
 
They might be nothing new but for a terror group to record the beheading of innocent Christians in the 21st century is brutal and disgusting.
 
That is correct as to the state of affairs between sunni and shia. They have battled against one another since the death of mohamed over succession. And like many zealots, the reigning group use any means at their disposal to further their agenda. The current group are intent on regaining an islamic caliphate across all of the traditional Arab lands. It will be interesting to see how Iran, and the House of Saud respond. But the intent to draw the west into a Religious war is being played to solidify the Sunni line.
But regardless of which faction is leading the charge, this battle will continue. Mohamed started with a sword, and with the sword they will continue. The current situation has it’s foundation partly in the results of the end of WW 1 and the division of the remnants of the Ottoman Turks. Add to that the carving up of areas with new borders forcing lifelong enemies into close proximity, one can see the beginning of disaster. Western hubris has laid much of the foundation for the current state of affairs, but this has been going on since the inception of islam, and will continue. Any devout muslim, who adheres to the koran and the Hadith, must do everything within their power to spread islam over the earth.
Would I be right in saying they want a global caliphate?
 
That is correct as to the state of affairs between sunni and shia. They have battled against one another since the death of mohamed over succession. And like many zealots, the reigning group use any means at their disposal to further their agenda. The current group are intent on regaining an islamic caliphate across all of the traditional Arab lands. It will be interesting to see how Iran, and the House of Saud respond. But the intent to draw the west into a Religious war is being played to solidify the Sunni line.
But regardless of which faction is leading the charge, this battle will continue. Mohamed started with a sword, and with the sword they will continue. The current situation has it’s foundation partly in the results of the end of WW 1 and the division of the remnants of the Ottoman Turks. Add to that the carving up of areas with new borders forcing lifelong enemies into close proximity, one can see the beginning of disaster. Western hubris has laid much of the foundation for the current state of affairs, but this has been going on since the inception of islam, and will continue. Any devout muslim, who adheres to the koran and the Hadith, must do everything within their power to spread islam over the earth.
I think to hubris you can add stupidity, which has resulted in a lethal combination.

To a certain extent, it brings in the issues with Israel into focus; and not a few Muslims have repeatedly stated their absolute disgust with what they perceive as North American and European morals - or lack thereof.
 
Would I be right in saying they want a global caliphate?
You would be right; for all the hubris of the western world, they can match us blow for blow.

Onw hould not presume they are ignorant savages; saveages, yes, but ignoran or stupid, no.

but that does not mean they have a firm grasp on reality; on the other hand, a mere handful of jihadists, headed by a Saudi Arabian Wahhabis’ leader - Osama bin Laden, came a lot closer to bringing the US to its knees economically than most people realize. We are dealing with an enemy who is adept at unconventional, asymmetric warfare, and the last few weeks have seen a turn, with the strikes in France and Denmark. There will be more; and they may not be as effective as the planes were, but they are disruptive. And there is no showing that someone may not be eeffective in hitting a head of state (they already have vowed to go after Rome).

They could fairly easily kill the Pope; what they don’t understand is that will not decapitate Catholicism. And there are some relatively inexpensive but very lethal weapons that are small enough to be smuggled into another country, and for which most countries are not equipped to defend against.

Current concerns expand; if Iran gets the nuke, there is a whole lot of not irrational fear that Saudi Arabia will get one - by purchase if necessary.

There are so many scenarios of what these folks could do (and to an extent already are doing) that it gets to be really “interesting times” as the Chinese curse goes.
 
not a few Muslims have repeatedly stated their absolute disgust with what they perceive as North American and European morals - or lack thereof.
I would say that’s a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. North Americans and Europeans are pretty overt about whatever sexual immorality they engage in, just as Europeans in times past nearly always were. And western women, even chaste women, tend to flaunt their sexuality with clothing and makeup, just as they always have. But how does one, say, compare the immorality of intentionally alluring clothing on an occidental woman to the beatings, rapes, pedophilia, genital mutiliations, temporary marriages, polygamy, and, yes, homosexuality (remember the “Afghan dancing boys”?) so common in the Islamic world that it makes one wonder whether the Marquis de Sade learned his predilections in the Middle East.

And, of course, when it comes to morals of other sorts, well, to my knowledge there have been no public beheadings or beheading/burnings in the west of late, and nobody in the West (other than the occasional hard leftist) chants “death to (fill in the blank)” at the slightest provocation…and means it.

In comparing the morals of the west and those in the Islamic world, I would say there’s little to be favored in the latter.
 
ISIS seems to have arisen not directly because of Assad, but because of the power vacuum created, a ways back, by the overthrow of Saddam.
One can research Assad and genocide. The family has been bombing their own people for decades and when the Arab spring occurred, they shot their own people. Their acts have been I’d say, more pronounced in Syria.
 
Assad’s barbaric war on the Syrian people has created the conditions for ISIS to grow and gain strength for years, and this will continue as long as he remains in power.
I don’t always agree with McCain but the long time oppression and iron-fisted dictatorship of Syria has definitely spurned a lot of this conflict.
 
You would be right; for all the hubris of the western world, they can match us blow for blow.

Onw hould not presume they are ignorant savages; saveages, yes, but ignoran or stupid, no.

but that does not mean they have a firm grasp on reality; on the other hand, a mere handful of jihadists, headed by a Saudi Arabian Wahhabis’ leader - Osama bin Laden, came a lot closer to bringing the US to its knees economically than most people realize. We are dealing with an enemy who is adept at unconventional, asymmetric warfare, and the last few weeks have seen a turn, with the strikes in France and Denmark. There will be more; and they may not be as effective as the planes were, but they are disruptive. And there is no showing that someone may not be eeffective in hitting a head of state (they already have vowed to go after Rome).

They could fairly easily kill the Pope; what they don’t understand is that will not decapitate Catholicism. And there are some relatively inexpensive but very lethal weapons that are small enough to be smuggled into another country, and for which most countries are not equipped to defend against.

Current concerns expand; if Iran gets the nuke, there is a whole lot of not irrational fear that Saudi Arabia will get one - by purchase if necessary.

There are so many scenarios of what these folks could do (and to an extent already are doing) that it gets to be really “interesting times” as the Chinese curse goes.
Well said. And one of the biggest mistakes westerners make is not understanding the true nature of this enemy. And if we play into their hands, by turning this into some sort of new crusade, all bets are off. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is much more than just an Arab saying. Bin Laden was on our payroll as long as he was shooting at Russians. And Saddam was our guy when shooting Iranians. You cannot form an allegiance with those who wish your destruction. We ( our govco) simply cannot understand that. I am afraid this ship has sailed, and the sky is mostly red.
 
I would say that’s a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. North Americans and Europeans are pretty overt about whatever sexual immorality they engage in, just as Europeans in times past nearly always were. And western women, even chaste women, tend to flaunt their sexuality with clothing and makeup, just as they always have. But how does one, say, compare the immorality of intentionally alluring clothing on an occidental woman to the beatings, rapes, pedophilia, genital mutiliations, temporary marriages, polygamy, and, yes, homosexuality (remember the “Afghan dancing boys”?) so common in the Islamic world that it makes one wonder whether the Marquis de Sade learned his predilections in the Middle East.

And, of course, when it comes to morals of other sorts, well, to my knowledge there have been no public beheadings or beheading/burnings in the west of late, and nobody in the West (other than the occasional hard leftist) chants “death to (fill in the blank)” at the slightest provocation…and means it.

In comparing the morals of the west and those in the Islamic world, I would say there’s little to be favored in the latter.
I can’t speak to the “Afghan dancing boys”, only to the number of individuals I have seen hanging, both in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Are you suggesting that chaste women need to wear a burka? I would disagree with your comment that chaste women flaunt their sexuality; but in any event, my comment was not to get into a discussion of who is more moral (and for all I know, you may be right about the Marquis de Sade). It was only to point out that th jihadists have been extremely consistent in pointing out their horror at out morals. Pot or no pot, it seems to be a driving force among them. And if one is familiar with the “morality police”, ofr example, in Saudi Arabia, there is some consistency.
 
One can research Assad and genocide. The family has been bombing their own people for decades and when the Arab spring occurred, they shot their own people. Their acts have been I’d say, more pronounced in Syria.
I am familiar with the issue; the point I am trying to make is that Assad, like Saddam, and Mubarak and Kaddafi were all dictators, keeping a lid on dissent, and in particular, dissent from the minority whether it be Sunni of Shia.

Not that they limited their “discipline” to those groups only; they are/were outright dictators.

There are symptoms, and then there are diseases, as the doctors would say; causation seems to run to the centuries old split.
 
Well said. And one of the biggest mistakes westerners make is not understanding the true nature of this enemy. And if we play into their hands, by turning this into some sort of new crusade, all bets are off. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is much more than just an Arab saying. Bin Laden was on our payroll as long as he was shooting at Russians. And Saddam was our guy when shooting Iranians. You cannot form an allegiance with those who wish your destruction. We ( our govco) simply cannot understand that. I am afraid this ship has sailed, and the sky is mostly red.
And given the amount of oil still beneath the surface, this is of global concerns. We have Russia, China, and the US as the big players in the sandbox, and given that we can’t agree on a whole lot, it makes for strange bedfellows, both united against ISIS, and lacking any unity, based on economics…
 
Sounds totally legit and in no way pro-Assad propaganda. :rotfl:
Syrian girl is actually not pro-Assad. I think she says that although she supports Assad currently, after the peace to Syria is restored, she favors a change in regime.
 
Syrian girl is actually not pro-Assad. I think she says that although she supports Assad currently, after the peace to Syria is restored, she favors a change in regime.
This is a woman who thinks Obama’s plan is to take out Assad and nation-build/split up Syria. That is such ridiculous nonsense that basically anything else she says is automatically suspect.
 
I can’t speak to the “Afghan dancing boys”, only to the number of individuals I have seen hanging, both in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Are you suggesting that chaste women need to wear a burka? I would disagree with your comment that chaste women flaunt their sexuality; but in any event, my comment was not to get into a discussion of who is more moral (and for all I know, you may be right about the Marquis de Sade). It was only to point out that th jihadists have been extremely consistent in pointing out their horror at out morals. Pot or no pot, it seems to be a driving force among them. And if one is familiar with the “morality police”, ofr example, in Saudi Arabia, there is some consistency.
Of course chaste women in the west flaunt their sexuality. That has always been true in the West, and the west is better off for it. I am not talking about nudity or near-nudity here, but (without getting too graphic) does no one know that even high heels are designed to give the calves a pleasing trimness, push the buttocks outward and taut and push the breasts forward? Do men not know that? (Orthopaedists do, though they also caution about undue wear on the front part of the menisci of the knee)

And what is the purpose of makeup other than to enhance female appearance; to give the skin a healthy, hearty, and fecund look?

And the shapeliness of female attire? Does nobody notice that it’s designed to be that way, and that women who can wear it well choose it? What is the purpose? To be attractive to men, hopefully in the proper context.

I, for one, do not resent or disapprove of women for any of that.

I do find the whipping of women in Islamic societies not only cruel but perverted. What kind of twisted man wants to do that in the guise of “improving her morals”. What kind of evil impels a man to want even an adultress’ head cut off? As far as I know, even the Marquis de Sade didn’t demand that sort of thing.

Western morals are hardly ideal, and I would be the last to say they are. But most of that is at the margins. Is Miley Cyrus scandalous? Absolutely. Should parents shield their young people from the likes of her? Yes, if they can. But she’s hardly more scandalous than an ideology that claims it’s virtuous for young men to coerce women (and young girls) into being their “temporary wives” against their will in lieu of just raping them outright.

When it comes to morality, I think we in the west need to look to our own religions for guidance and look into our own souls to see how we are handlng our freedom. Islam has little to offer us in that regard, and its forcing entire peoples to pretend has even less.
 
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