Aw, Come On Ben. You never show me any proof that Jesus was married, other than saying “It is in the NT”. Which part of the NT? You never say but keep on avoiding. Remember, Mark was not the direct disciple of Jesus. Mark was the disciple of Peter, and Peter fled away from Jesus (I agree with you about Peter). No wonder Peter did not know what happened underneath the cross in detail. There was no way that Peter see John was there.
Genesis 16:3 Know the foundation FIRST before attributing a false and VERY wrong judgment on Abraham. A difficult lesson, I know… but you are wrong in the above statement and yet you have said it as though it were truth (perhaps though you are saying your declaration is correct and the Word of God is wrong?.. I hope not).
Your faith though obviously has kept you from missing the GROSS errors of your fellow catholics in this thread. Perhaps you are just trying to justify your lack of knowledge of what is actually being said here. shrugs
I said this because God Himself never acknowledged the relationship between Abraham and Hagar. See Gen 21:12. The relationship between Abraham and Hagar was beyond the plan of God. However, God had made a promise that the descendant of Abraham would be a much as the sand in the shore or the stars in the sky. (In fact, the number of stars in the sky are much more than the number of human being in the earth). Also, Ishmael has nothing to do with Sarah and Hagar. So, God the most merciful would not let Ishmael die. But still, legally speaking, Ishmael was not a legitimate son of Abraham.
After Genesis 21:12… the next verse, read that as well. It was mercy Divinely given, but NOT because Abraham and Hagar sinned in conceiving Ishmael. Abraham laid with HIS wife GIVEN to him by Sarah as an act of desperation, albeit a good intentioned desire to see her husband have a son. He trusted God though in the end to honor his FIRST wife’s wishes. He knew God would honor his 2nd WIFE and his LEGITIMATE child with her. The covenant would obviously be with his first wife, but that did not mean that his second wife and child did something that should be considered “wrong” or “illegitimate” (which is what you said and that is the wrong judgment to be making on Abraham).I did say “legally speaking”, didn’t I? While it is true that God did not acknowledge the relationship of Abraham and Hagar as husband and wife, but God did acknowledge his love and mercy and His promise to Abraham. So, legally speaking Ishmael was illegitimate as he had no part of the inheritance, but Ishmael existence was legitimate under the love of God. Otherwise, why did (a) God let Hagar to be pregnant and (b) God even saved Ishmael when he was expelled away by Abraham. You see? You must differentiate what is the will of God and what is not. Do not mixed things up, so that the relationship between Abraham and Hagar was indeed the will of God.
Eh… ya budged a bit to show even a bit of mercy on at least the child. Also, you have admitted that God is faithful to His promise and obviously you believe that the promise of God was given to the children of Sarah… and thus, God is not like man that He will repent of this promise. Since the Jewish were born from the “seed” of Sarah by the promise of God… then that is the “seed” in whom the covenant is still resting. I do agree with you… He is FAITHFUL to His promise, thank His goodness.
Well, first of all he did teach that. But, that is neither here no there. You have accepted my argument that one cannot simply change the masculine pronouns in the Gospels to make men into women in order to fit our pet theories. As you say, “it is too late now.” By your own understanding then we can all agree that the Beloved Disciple of John is in fact a man and not a woman.
**Ralph, please know that Muhammad never said that Jesus was not on the cross. Who told you that? Muhammad has told us that it was Jesus himself on the cross. But he did not die on the cross. jesus simply fainted on the cross. He appeared to be dead. He was brought down from the cross very quickly. That is what Muhammad has taught us that Jesus did not die on the cross because it was bad for Jesus to die on the cross. that would have been a cursed death.
Let’s see what was said
They killed him not NOR crucified him…they did not kill him and they did not put him on a cross…
Read the thread. It’s all in there.
That’s great! If Jesus broke the Sabbath, he broke the Law.
And he said to them: The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord of the sabbath also.
Prove to us that John was on the Calvary before the cross. You are speculating. under the same conspiracy to clear the Church from contradictions.
Knowledge of Roman History and policies. If any of Jesus’ disciples was there on the Calvary that day, he would be immediately arrested. Women could, especially very close family like mother and wife.
**Please read as follows:
He is the Lord of the Sabbath.