What do you mean by “the one”? The people of Israel are not the Torah incarnate.
From the gospel of Mark,it seems they did not know or remember,or that they were just looking for things to criticize Jesus and his disciples about.
Having freewill to break the Sabbath is not the same thing as having authority over the Sabbath.
*I’ll concede to this point you made. ***
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Because you guys paint the Pharisees like a gang of lazy people who had nothing to do but going to the fields and watch Jesus’ disciples to see if they would pick up ears of corn to eat. Pharisees were Teachers of the Law with a lot of things to do in the Temple and Yeshivas to be acting like an ambulant Rabbi or trying to spy on people’s behaviour. It only gives us the impression that the gospel writers were four authentic jokers.
Being given the Torah is not the same thing as being the Torah.
The difference is that one who has authority over the Sabbath can break it because he has the authority to do so,whereas others who break it out of freewill alone break it as something that has authority over them.
The pharisees kept watch on Jesus because he was taught astonishing things that scandalixed them,worked miracles and attracted crowds. They thought he was a subverter of the Law and a magician.
So, you do believe that Jesus did brake the Sabbath? You know this for sure, or from just those Pharisees’ words? It was said that Jesus taught with authority, meaning that what he teaches he practices (according to a priest who taught a Bible Study on various texts of the NT). Now to those Pharisees He and His disciples were doing a thing forbidden on Shabbat. But my understanding is that not every Jewish rabbi agreed on what was considered forbidden work on Shabbat and what was allowed, even though there are basic criterias to help identify them. I think this case was one of the things considered to be in more of a grey zone… Was the “614th commandment” already in use back then?
Hum! Not all of the Pharisees were, Ben. All serious students of the Torah, that I do believe. But all of them Teachers of the Law? I thought that in the Gospels, these would be called “scribes”, not “Pharisees”! (Even though a number of them were…)
**The Torah was written by and in the language of man. They were Israelites, Jews, that is. The culture gave origin to the Torah and not the other way around. You are being too anthropomorphic in your views of God.
**Pharisees were on a level higher than ambulant Rabbis, the class Jesus was under. Students would come to the Pharisees in the Temple or Yeshivas to learn Torah. Ambulant Rabbis would go to the People with it.
The priest who told you that Jesus was a Pharisee, is not too far from the truth. I don’t believe that Jesus was a formal Pharisee, but he was of the line, and in line to become one. He had to acquire seniority as a Rabbi, and three years and half was hardly enough to get to that level. Besides, Pharisees were usually well-to-do Jews, and Jesus was not one.
Written this way, “The culture gave origin to the Torah”, I think it’s slightly awkward unless you were an atheist or a paganist, Ben. I thought it originated from God’s having revealed Himself to the Sons of Israel. Culture-only would produce its mythology, and I thought (and still think) that the Torah was not a mythology.
Are you certain they were all well-to-do Jews? Not a chance for any poor Jew to be one? Was it because it would cost a lot of money to join them?
But as to all Pharisees being Teachers of the Law? Or, as our translations of the Bible would say: “Doctors of the Law”?
**Jews do make Mythology, either way. Whether our culture created Torah or Torah created our culture. **
**Not a chance! Pharisees were what we consider today Professors of the Law. Only well-to-do Jews would reach that level. You are confusing the Pharisees with the Priests. Yes, these inherited their title at birth. **