"Behold the Wood of the Cross"

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At Good Friday Liturgies, I have heard both “Behold the Wood of the Cross, on which hung the Savior of the World” and “Behold the Wood of the Cross on which hung the Salvation of the World.”

Is either one of those more correct or traditional than the other? Or is there no difference (since Christ is, after all, our Salvation)?

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They are interchangeable. Salvation is the older version, I’m pretty sure. Savior is more of a protestant-y usage. But they are essential different variations of the same word.
 
In the present approved translation, the word used is Savior.

V. This is the wood of the cross, on which hung the Savior of the world.
R. Come, let us worship.
 
porthos11 said:
In the present approved translation, the word used is Savior.

V. This is the wood of the cross, on which hung the Savior of the world.
R. Come, let us worship.
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That’s correct. From what I can tell, I don’t know of any new translation that replaces the current text. Like I’ve said in other threads: why, why, why do people insist on getting creative during Holy Week, especially during Triduum?🤷
 
The word used is “salus” in Latin, which is properly rendered “salvation”. However, the current translation is “savior”. It’s my hope that the new translation will correct this.
 
The new translation does indeed restore the more traditional word, “salvation.”

V. Behold the wood of the Cross
on which hung the salvation of the world.
R. Come, let us adore.
 
jbebeau said:
The new translation does indeed restore the more traditional word, “salvation.”

V. Behold the wood of the Cross
on which hung the salvation of the world.
R. Come, let us adore.
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That’s right.

But going back to the first post, there are only two options. We either use the presently approved translation, or we use the Latin.
 
In my church we have a woman sing

‘‘Behold behold the wood of the cross, on which is hung our Salvation’’

To which everybody sings ‘‘Come, let us adore’’

Is this OK or must it be spoken by the priest?
 
NetNuncio said:
The word used is “salus” in Latin, which is properly rendered “salvation”. However, the current translation is “savior”. It’s my hope that the new translation will correct this.
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ahh. So I was right to begin with! 🙂
Sorry. Next time I’ll try reading through to the end of a thread before posting!
 
whatever we do, we must be sure in taking part in this and the other Holy Week liturgies, to constantly turn our focus on the most minute words and actions of the priest and other ministers looking for errors and abuses. above all, avoid anything which distracts us from being self-appointed liturgy police, such as meditation on the passion of the Lord. if we can complain and report those abuses in such a way as to denigrate the pastor and ministers, arouse ill-feeling in the parish, and publicize our own superior understanding of liturgy, so much the better
 
puzzleannie said:
whatever we do, we must be sure in taking part in this and the other Holy Week liturgies, to constantly turn our focus on the most minute words and actions of the priest and other ministers looking for errors and abuses. above all, avoid anything which distracts us from being self-appointed liturgy police, such as meditation on the passion of the Lord. if we can complain and report those abuses in such a way as to denigrate the pastor and ministers, arouse ill-feeling in the parish, and publicize our own superior understanding of liturgy, so much the better
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You are right, to a certain extent. However, as I’ve said in other Holy Week-related threads, unfortunately, this is also the time for many parishes, priests and liturgy committees to exercise in some free form of creative expression that adds nothing to the Church’s ancient rites and traditions. At some point, someone has to take a stand, and, that’s not necessarily acting as the liturgical cop.

It’s very sad that this false sense of creativity has spread in epic proportions. This is not an exaggeration. The documents are there. Why are they not being read and followed?
 
jbebeau said:
The new translation does indeed restore the more traditional word, “salvation.”

V. Behold the wood of the Cross
on which hung the salvation of the world.
R. Come, let us adore.
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Thank you for the clarification. By the way, how did you come about the new translation? Just curious.
 
LDNCatholic said:
In my church we have a woman sing

‘‘Behold behold the wood of the cross, on which is hung our Salvation’’

To which everybody sings ‘‘Come, let us adore’’

Is this OK or must it be spoken by the priest?
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No, this is not ok. It should be done, preferably by a deacon, but can also be done by a priest, or if nothing else, by the priest-celebrant.

This is found at usccb.org/liturgy/goodfriday.shtm

Which says:

The second form of the adoration of the cross which takes place at the door of the church, in the middle of the church and before entering the sanctuary has not changed (GF, no.16).

The priest or deacon may then carry the cross to the entrance of the sanctuary or another suitable place (GF, no.17).
 
NetNuncio said:
No, this is not ok. It should be done, preferably by a deacon, but can also be done by a priest, or if nothing else, by the priest-celebrant.

This is found at usccb.org/liturgy/goodfriday.shtm

Which says:

The second form of the adoration of the cross which takes place at the door of the church, in the middle of the church and before entering the sanctuary has not changed (GF, no.16).

The priest or deacon may then carry the cross to the entrance of the sanctuary or another suitable place (GF, no.17).
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What should I do about this then. She sings at all three intervals of the procession and then, if I remember correctly the priest announces it upon reaching the altar. It is beautiful but I had no idea it was not proper conduct :o
 
The first step is to find the proper documentation that allows only a priest or deacon to do this (It can be found in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal) and charitably point it out. If he does nothing about it, alert the bishop’s office and the office of worship.
 
According to the rubrics the Priest will usually be the one to sing, “This is the wood of the Cross.” However the rubrics also recognize that not every priest is equally talented when it comes to musical ability and allows the Deacon or Choir to assist him.
  1. The Deacon accompanied by ministers, or another suitable minister, goes to the sacristy, from which, in procession, accompanied by two ministers with lighted candles, he carried the Cross, covered with a violet veil, through the church to the center of the sanctuary.
    Standing before the altar and facing the people, the Priest receives the Cross, uncovers a little of its upper part and elevates it while beginning Behold the wood of the Cross. He is assisted in singing be the Deacon or, if need be, by the choir. All respond: Come, let us adore. At the end of the singing, all kneel and for a brief moment adore in silence, while the Priest stands and holds the Cross raised.
 
jbebeau said:
According to the rubrics the Priest will usually be the one to sing, “This is the wood of the Cross.” However the rubrics also recognize that not every priest is equally talented when it comes to musical ability and allows the Deacon or Choir to assist him.
  1. The Deacon accompanied by ministers, or another suitable minister, goes to the sacristy, from which, in procession, accompanied by two ministers with lighted candles, he carried the Cross, covered with a violet veil, through the church to the center of the sanctuary.
    Standing before the altar and facing the people, the Priest receives the Cross, uncovers a little of its upper part and elevates it while beginning Behold the wood of the Cross. He is assisted in singing be the Deacon or, if need be, by the choir. All respond: Come, let us adore. At the end of the singing, all kneel and for a brief moment adore in silence, while the Priest stands and holds the Cross raised.
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I believe this is envisioning someone assisting the priest in carrying the cross, not singing the acclamation.
 
What would be the larger distraction and irritation? A tone deaf priest, or a trained cantor?

I don’t want to sound indifferent to rubrics - I certainly am not. But with videos of “clown masses” on the internet and all kinds of other things going on, do we really need to make a federal case out of the cantor singing “this is the wood of the cross …” vs. the priest?

It’s not like she’s saying words of consecration …
 
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