Jn 6:53 “Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you; he who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood has eternal life.”
Oh yes you are a christian no doubt as long you were baptized. Non catholics are still christians and God has a plan for them too. I look at scripture when he says that he has got another flock he has to tend to.It is the same as a father and disobedient son. He still loves him alot and wants whats best for him. He is still a part of the family(body of christ) but he is going in the wrong way. We are all brothers and sisters of God when we were made including heretics, demons ,angels, catholics, protestants, and any other religion. Think about what the world would be without the assurance the Jesus gaves us when he said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. We humans are fallible and without the church we would have heresies everywhere. I am fallible too but i don’t try to interpet scripture by my self, like what you are doing.
I would love to debate my Catholic brothers and sisters on essential doctrine without dividing over it. Let’s debate the doctrine of justification on this thread since you believe that it won’t be much of a debate.
If a debate on justification is one sided, then all us non-Catholics will become Catholics in a blink of an eye. So, why have you been reconciled to God? Why is the Catholic view of justification the right one?Explain what you understand as being Christian in God’s eyes. To Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox DO believe in the necessity of belief in Christ to be a follower of Christ= Christian belief. If Christ had not instituded the church through his apostle Peter, the ‘‘rock’’ on which Christ formed His church, and following, then we would not have the Catholic church today as it is. We are to follow in Christ’s footsteps in loving, and caring for one another, following the commandments as God has instructed us to do, and seeing to the evangelization of the nations to make others followers of Christ. That is the essence of being Christian.
You can not, and you will probely ask about the billions of people who never had it? Well, we believe in God’s mercy.
Hi One in Christ,
Correct.
Right.
I sure hope I’m not coming across as being difficult to encourage apropos Christian Unity. I’m all for Christian Unity. But I’m completely opposed to false ecumenism.
Although that’s probably a popular notion in the Evangelical world I doubt it’s an idea that would find universal acceptance throughout Christendom.
Sinners in the hands of an Angry God, huh? Well, it’s a point of view.
Then how do you get your sacraments?
A Christian is a sinner who has been brought near to God through faith in Jesus Christ. A Christian is a redeemed sinner who has been adopted into the family of God because of the work of Jesus Christ done on our behalf. A Christians is one who has been baptized into Christ, and is in union with Him by grace. A Christian follows Jesus Christ because God’s seed is in him; therefore, a Christian is a new creation in Christ. I understand the Catholic belief in Apostolic Succession, but I do not believe that embracing the Catholic view of Apostolic Succession is required to be a Christian, nor do I believe Orthodox Christians believe in the Catholic view of Apostolic Succession.Explain what you understand as being Christian in God’s eyes. To Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox DO believe in the necessity of belief in Christ to be a follower of Christ= Christian belief. If Christ had not instituded the church through his apostle Peter, the ‘‘rock’’ on which Christ formed His church, and following, then we would not have the Catholic church today as it is. We are to follow in Christ’s footsteps in loving, and caring for one another, following the commandments as God has instructed us to do, and seeing to the evangelization of the nations to make others followers of Christ. That is the essence of being Christian.
God Bless.
Mary1173
By God or by the grace of God, He has given us the sacraments as a means of grace. Are you saying that the Catholic Church believes that Protestant sacraments are not valid? If so, why does the Catholic Church acknowledge Protestant baptism done in the Triune formula?
I’m oppose false ecumenism too… especially with those who do not profess the biblical Jesus Christ. Maybe the Catholic Church borders false ecumenicism with others who are not Christian according to the Catholic Catechism. I believe that Catholic Church teaches that not all members will enter Heaven which is a sheep and goat division, correct?Hi One in Christ,
Correct.
Right.
I sure hope I’m not coming across as being difficult to encourage apropos Christian Unity. I’m all for Christian Unity. But I’m completely opposed to false ecumenism.
Although that’s probably a popular notion in the Evangelical world I doubt it’s an idea that would find universal acceptance throughout Christendom.
Sinners in the hands of an Angry God, huh? Well, it’s a point of view.
Ecumenically,
Mick
We agree on this, then. :extrahappy: Is it too early to publish an Agreed Statement?SSTeacher;6380465:
I’m oppose false ecumenism too…Hi One in Christ,
Correct.
Right.
I sure hope I’m not coming across as being difficult to encourage apropos Christian Unity. I’m all for Christian Unity. But I’m completely opposed to false ecumenism.
Although that’s probably a popular notion in the Evangelical world I doubt it’s an idea that would find universal acceptance throughout Christendom.
Sinners in the hands of an Angry God, huh? Well, it’s a point of view.
Ecumenically,
Mick
Is there an inference that I should be drawing here?
Maybe.
Sounds not unreasonable. :tiphat:
The Catholic Church acknowledges Baptism in the name of the Holy Trinity. This is because valid ordination is not necessary for Baptism (depending on who you ask, it’s not necessary for Matrimony, either).
Did I say that? I asked how you receive the sacraments? How do you receive these sacraments outside of the Church?
Again how do we receive these sacraments outside of the CC? Especially when the CC is the only Church they have them all!
On the contrary nowhere does it state that Catholicism embraces the belief that not all members will enter Heaven. That theology and teaching died out a long time ago, and is not the view of the Catholic church. God’s followers whichever Christian group they choose to follow, Born again Christian, Protestant, Orthodox, Baptist, etc, will be with Him inasmuch that they choose to believe in Him. It’s not a sheep and goat division. God has blessed each gathering group under Christianity…even the Jews are blessed in God’s eyes. When Christ spoke of the term that, ‘‘no one who comes to my Father will do so without me’’ He meant that only through love of your fellow man will you enter into Heaven. Not ‘‘unless you are Catholic you won’t make it to Heaven’’.
What if one was to think and act and love like Jesus, but while knowing all the Gospels, would still deny faith in Jesus as God…? Would someone like this still be considered a Christian…? What I mean is; can someone be a Christian while having works - without faith in Jesus exclusively…?On the contrary nowhere does it state that Catholicism embraces the belief that not all members will enter Heaven. That theology and teaching died out a long time ago, and is not the view of the Catholic church. God’s followers whichever Christian group they choose to follow, Born again Christian, Protestant, Orthodox, Baptist, etc, will be with Him inasmuch that they choose to believe in Him. It’s not a sheep and goat division. God has blessed each gathering group under Christianity…even the Jews are blessed in God’s eyes. When Christ spoke of the term that, ‘‘no one who comes to my Father will do so without me’’ He meant that only through love of your fellow man will you enter into Heaven. Not ‘‘unless you are Catholic you won’t make it to Heaven’’.
Could you please give a brief general summation explaining how Catholic theology and teaching can “die out” and specifically state whether the particular termination to which you refer above occurred before or after the Council of Trent?