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Mystophilus
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Yeah, religious bigotry and prejudice is very unfortunate.
ā¦ and they operate in so many different directions!
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ā¦ and they operate in so many different directions!
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joe371
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Lion_of_Narnia
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Patty,
If you decide to continue talking with her, try to set some ground rulesālike donāt let her āshotgunā a whole bunch of charges or accusations regarding the Catholic Church and how wrong we are. In fact, limit it to ONE and only one topic at a time until you have sufficiently addressed the topic, corrected misunderstandings, etcā¦
Also, you might want to bring up the issue why do SDA apologists keep useing fals-to-fact assertions, such as the idea that the official latin title of the Pope numerologicaly adds up to 666 (=the antichrist)? You can search the forum and the main site for the refutation of this, but maininly the SDAs and fundamentalist who do this charge use a FALSE title to make the letters=number values work out (Never mind that SDA founder Ellen Whiteās name adds up to 666 also
If you decide to continue talking with her, try to set some ground rulesālike donāt let her āshotgunā a whole bunch of charges or accusations regarding the Catholic Church and how wrong we are. In fact, limit it to ONE and only one topic at a time until you have sufficiently addressed the topic, corrected misunderstandings, etcā¦
Also, you might want to bring up the issue why do SDA apologists keep useing fals-to-fact assertions, such as the idea that the official latin title of the Pope numerologicaly adds up to 666 (=the antichrist)? You can search the forum and the main site for the refutation of this, but maininly the SDAs and fundamentalist who do this charge use a FALSE title to make the letters=number values work out (Never mind that SDA founder Ellen Whiteās name adds up to 666 also
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Miriam1947
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The SDA here is sending out little booklets in the mail called
The Edge of Time
Preparing for the Crisis Ahead
I thought maybe they saw me watching their 3ABN tv channel.
Iāve looked through the booklet but itās mostly a wall of text and I havenāt been in the mood to tackle it.
The Edge of Time
Preparing for the Crisis Ahead
I thought maybe they saw me watching their 3ABN tv channel.
Iāve looked through the booklet but itās mostly a wall of text and I havenāt been in the mood to tackle it.
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PaulDupre1
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The JWs I know are the same. And their publications are blatantly anti-Catholic.
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IgnatianPhilo
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I suppose there will just be unreasonable people.
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ajcstr
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The Jehovah Witnesses are very likely an offshoot of the SDA, sounds like they are similar in their selective reasoning.
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7_Sorrows
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I went to an end times seminar when I was new to town. I didnāt know it was run by SDA. Wow! I was shocked at how anti-catholic they were.
I had a naturopath who was SDA and I loved her. She was so sweet. I never heard anything anti-catholic from her so I was shocked to hear what I heard at this seminar. SDA are nice people, but paranoid about the Catholic church.
I had a naturopath who was SDA and I loved her. She was so sweet. I never heard anything anti-catholic from her so I was shocked to hear what I heard at this seminar. SDA are nice people, but paranoid about the Catholic church.
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Theo520
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There isnāt a religious discussion to be had with her at this stage, her heart is not sincere.
Perhaps just try being a friend and let the spirit flow through your actions.
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robwar
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Thank Matthew, that was very kind of you.
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robwar
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Seven Day Adventists are a very anti-Catholic group. In fact even many Protestants do not see them as orthodox Christians. I would study up on them to understand her. They are also pretty anti-Protestant as well because they would see that a majority of Protestants are still too influenced by the Catholic Church in things like Christmas, Easter, Sunday church instead of on the Sabbath (Saturday). If she is some facebook type of friend and posts these things on social media, you do have a couple of choices which is to let her know that what she is posting is offensive and then un-friend her so you are not disturbed or harassed any more. Then I would pray for her.
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Gabriel_of_12
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Invite her here to the Catholic forum boards.
Sometimes a historical discussion on subjects such as; who founded the SDA religion and who founded the Catholic faith before entering theological discussions.
God did not build his Church upon the late SDA founder.
You canāt go wrong by introducing the Early Church Fathers, which proves the Catholic Church existed since the resurrection of Jesus Christ unchanged to today.
Sometimes a historical discussion on subjects such as; who founded the SDA religion and who founded the Catholic faith before entering theological discussions.
God did not build his Church upon the late SDA founder.
You canāt go wrong by introducing the Early Church Fathers, which proves the Catholic Church existed since the resurrection of Jesus Christ unchanged to today.
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bitznbitez
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They have a common root. They are all ultimately fallout from a mid 1800s self appointed preacher named William Miller who set a date for the return of Christ in 1844. Many other groups too including Church of God and the like. Both JWs and SDAs bristle if you say one came from the other because each thinks the other group is āreally weirdā.
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bitznbitez
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That is the way they do it. They donāt put their name on anything. They even claim the chap running it, brought in by the local church is āindependentā. Often held at a hotel or some neutral place first few nights then moved to the local church. I was involved in doing this more than once. One church we were instructed to cover over the SDA sign out front with a banner for the seminar and remove everything including literature that woudl let anyone know we were SDAs before we brought the people in. When I asked why the rationale was ā¦ if they know we are SDAs they wonāt comeā¦
You do find both. Like any group they have different camps but what the seminar taught is in fact true blue SDA doctrine. What gets said by their prophetess etc is worse. They were formed in the extreme anticatholic movements of New England in the mid to late 1800s and have retained a lot of it.
Somehow I left that and wandered a while and became Catholic.
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Miriam1947
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Recently on the SDA tv channel there was an interview with a former Catholic and she became SDA because of a seminar she attended regarding the book of Daniel.
What is the fascination with the book of Daniel with SDAs and how do they use it to draw Catholics out of the CC?
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bitznbitez
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Their fascination with Daniel is essentially it is their identity. Back in 1840ās William Miller sets the dates of 1843 and then October 22, 1844 as the date for Christs return. This was all built on Daniel and Revelation etc. In the fallout from that not happening the SDAs formed. They did not simply admit this was wrong. Rather they insisted the date was correct and hten declared that āChrist moved from the holy place to the most holy place in the heavenly sanctuaryā and this became a key doctrinal plank for them. Their entire focus is on what they call āthe three angels messageā ā¦ you probably saw that show on 3ABN 3 angels broadcasting network ]. They believe it is their job to spread their version of the gospel to all the world before the second coming can happen, a key part of which includes the declaration of the usual stuff catholic church corrupt, pope is declared to be antichrist etc. ] with the added benefit they believe the protestants and catholics and pagans and civil governments the world over will unite and persecute them right before the second coming.
As to why Catholics fall for this ? I donāt knowā¦
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KathleenGee
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I heard there are other SDA congregations who do not hold on to anti-Catholic positions.
However, my friend grew up in an affluent area of the city, went to Catholic schools, had a secular university education but encountered Christ in the Scripture Jesus movement of the early 70ās.
Later she got married to a fellow Catholic and they went off to go to some type of post grad schooling back east. They were exposed to the SDAās.
They came to my house one night showing me if I believe the Bible contains the Word of God, then how can I be Catholic because the Church changed the wording of the 10 commandments, and it is putting itself above God in how it places the bible underneath itself.
Anyway, it challenged me, but I was beginning to pray the rosary with much devotion. I felt bound to my Catholic faith through the rosary and so held my ground and didnāt say much either in response to them.
Later her mother went to visit their church. The pastor knew she was catholic. He began to go on a tirade about the Catholic Church. She got up and began to walk out.
When she was walking out, he hurled insults towards her and her Catholicismā¦also in front of her daughter and son-in-law.
When they returned home to start their work, they told me they left that cultā¦I use cult here because it is a gathering based on hatred and ignorance using itself as source of God, and uses threat of damnation if they leave itā¦They studied about the life of the founder and her involvement with numerology.
But they never returned to the Church. Later they divorced, while they also attended evangelical gatherings based on the Bible and following the Holy Spiritā¦and I had moved away. Later my friend came down for a visit to present her new husband to me who was going into similar work through her. I lost contact with her raising my family.
I found out she passed awayā¦didnāt want any friends with her, her older brother dying right before her diagnosisā¦she refused any spiritual guidance and gathering, and the workers who ended up caring for her and telling her to please contact usā¦told me she had a memorial in a park because she liked the outdoorsā¦no obituary, her body crematedā¦and it no where to be found to make final respects.
I am having a Mass said for her and am inviting people to remember this dayā¦so sad.
You can go to Catholic school but it doesnāt mean you have received the Catholic faith from them. Such are so vulnerable to going into on denominationalsā¦
When we die to Christ our body belongs now to Himā¦our Catholic faith binding.
I donāt know what my assistance could have done in her dying daysā¦the Dr telling me her last 4 or 5 weeks were filled with much sufferingā¦and I work in hospice and palliative careā¦they had to put her into a hospitalā¦a tragic death.
So her falling away began with the SDAāsā¦and if you keep going farther away from your Catholic faithā¦in her case, it looks like you end up with your own way of looking at Scriptureā¦and you follow your quirks and whimsyā¦so sad.
I donāt think there is anything you can really say to a SDA. They have no sense of Church of Christās humanity.
However, my friend grew up in an affluent area of the city, went to Catholic schools, had a secular university education but encountered Christ in the Scripture Jesus movement of the early 70ās.
Later she got married to a fellow Catholic and they went off to go to some type of post grad schooling back east. They were exposed to the SDAās.
They came to my house one night showing me if I believe the Bible contains the Word of God, then how can I be Catholic because the Church changed the wording of the 10 commandments, and it is putting itself above God in how it places the bible underneath itself.
Anyway, it challenged me, but I was beginning to pray the rosary with much devotion. I felt bound to my Catholic faith through the rosary and so held my ground and didnāt say much either in response to them.
Later her mother went to visit their church. The pastor knew she was catholic. He began to go on a tirade about the Catholic Church. She got up and began to walk out.
When she was walking out, he hurled insults towards her and her Catholicismā¦also in front of her daughter and son-in-law.
When they returned home to start their work, they told me they left that cultā¦I use cult here because it is a gathering based on hatred and ignorance using itself as source of God, and uses threat of damnation if they leave itā¦They studied about the life of the founder and her involvement with numerology.
But they never returned to the Church. Later they divorced, while they also attended evangelical gatherings based on the Bible and following the Holy Spiritā¦and I had moved away. Later my friend came down for a visit to present her new husband to me who was going into similar work through her. I lost contact with her raising my family.
I found out she passed awayā¦didnāt want any friends with her, her older brother dying right before her diagnosisā¦she refused any spiritual guidance and gathering, and the workers who ended up caring for her and telling her to please contact usā¦told me she had a memorial in a park because she liked the outdoorsā¦no obituary, her body crematedā¦and it no where to be found to make final respects.
I am having a Mass said for her and am inviting people to remember this dayā¦so sad.
You can go to Catholic school but it doesnāt mean you have received the Catholic faith from them. Such are so vulnerable to going into on denominationalsā¦
When we die to Christ our body belongs now to Himā¦our Catholic faith binding.
I donāt know what my assistance could have done in her dying daysā¦the Dr telling me her last 4 or 5 weeks were filled with much sufferingā¦and I work in hospice and palliative careā¦they had to put her into a hospitalā¦a tragic death.
So her falling away began with the SDAāsā¦and if you keep going farther away from your Catholic faithā¦in her case, it looks like you end up with your own way of looking at Scriptureā¦and you follow your quirks and whimsyā¦so sad.
I donāt think there is anything you can really say to a SDA. They have no sense of Church of Christās humanity.
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SteveVH
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Thorolfr
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That date, October 22, 1844, became known as the Great Disappointment
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment
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OraLabora
Guest
My advice:
Ignore (the hateful arguments).
Pray (for the SDA making them).
To attempt any more than that is a waste of time. If you must interact with an SDA (family member, co-worker, whatever), establish a ground rule, NO discussing religion, and NO comments about Catholicism.
Same rule applies to JWs, etc.
Ignore (the hateful arguments).
Pray (for the SDA making them).
To attempt any more than that is a waste of time. If you must interact with an SDA (family member, co-worker, whatever), establish a ground rule, NO discussing religion, and NO comments about Catholicism.
Same rule applies to JWs, etc.
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