Belgian archbishop seeks Church recognition of same-sex unions [CC]

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A Belgian archbishop has called for Church recognition of same-sex unions.Archbishop Johan Bonny of Antwerp told the daily De Morgen that he favored “formal recognition” of homosexual …

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What other sins would the archbishop favor the Church condoning and recognizing?

I hope the cardinals and the Pope are paying attention. This is what is the result of muddled confusion and silliness such as we saw at the Synod on the Family recently.
 
Just what we need another off the rails Archbishop to spread nonsense.
 
What could really be disturbing here, is if the Vatican does nothing about this man.
 
I’d be wary of stories that can take words out of context.

To begin with, the headline at the least, is wrong when the Archbishop is located in Antwerp, that’s Belgium NOT Holland and it appears he would be Flemish not Dutch.

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I think we have heard about him before. Unfortunately, Belgium and the Netherlands seem to display progressive values.

On the surface, still, it does not seem to change the main gist of the story but is something to remember all the same.

Again, a relationship between 2 members of the same sex to me, at the most, is a friendship. Some Church put that up on their message board.
 
This is a sweeping generalization, but my impression of the Church throughout most of Europe is that there is a strong progressive trend (economically and socially). It’s generational - the Church as an NGO; I think this is the mentality with which it functions in many places. We can only hope a more orthodox younger generation follows it. There is a tiny bit of that happening in France, maybe Spain, but not many other places. I have a suspicion though orthodoxy could well catch on. The NGO Church is on its last legs, gasping for air…(compare it to Africa)
 
FollowChrist34 said:
This is a sweeping generalization, but my impression of the Church throughout most of Europe is that there is a strong progressive trend (economically and socially). It’s generational - the Church as an NGO; I think this is the mentality with which it functions in many places. We can only hope a more orthodox younger generation follows it. There is a tiny bit of that happening in France, maybe Spain, but not many other places. I have a suspicion though orthodoxy could well catch on. The NGO Church is on its last legs, gasping for air…(compare it to Africa)
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Archbishop LeFebvre also came out of Belgium. He was the one from what I understand, helped get the SSPX movement started. So, I’m going to be careful in how I see this. Plus, we are aware of how often Pope Francis’s words seem to be taken out of context.
 
Seamus_L said:
What could really be disturbing here, is if the Vatican does nothing about this man.
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If what reads in the thread title is indeed true I agree though in my mind he’s already excommunicated himself as well as abdicated his seat of archbishop even if he still sits on it. His thinking is modernist in even acknowledging “gays,” as if they’re shackled to their sin. No wonder things are such a mess in that part of Europe. With headlines such as this, anyone who denies the crisis in the Church at this point is simply delusional.
 
ServusHumilis said:
If what reads in the thread title is indeed true I agree though in my mind he’s already excommunicated himself as well as abdicated his seat of archbishop even if he still sits on it. His thinking is modernist in even acknowledging “gays,” as if they’re shackled to their sin. No wonder things are such a mess in that part of Europe. With headlines such as this, anyone who denies the crisis in the Church at this point is simply delusional.
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I have strong hopes for the new generation of priests, at least in the United States. We may just have to wait 20 years for headlines like this not to exist anymore.

Europe is dying, and will likely be overrun by radical ideology. Africa is where the new seeds are being spread and the new leadership will be born.
 
From what I can read and understand the Pope wants to go in this direction too on gay marriage- Let’s at least call it a partnership but not the marriage title
 
kenmiller said:
From what I can read and understand the Pope wants to go in this direction too on gay marriage- Let’s at least call it a partnership but not the marriage title
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And where did you get this understanding? If that were true he would cease to be Pope and we’d be in real trouble. No Pope could openly condone sin like that. Don’t believe what you read or hear in the media; today they like to try and make the news rather than report it.
 
ServusHumilis said:
And where did you get this understanding? If that were true he would cease to be Pope and we’d be in real trouble. No Pope could openly condone sin like that. Don’t believe what you read or hear in the media; today they like to try and make the news rather than report it.
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I hope you are right and I am wrong-I will celebrate that! But cautious at the same time
 
I understand that some men in the Church with same-sex attraction choose to have chaste (i.e. non-sexual) relationships with other members of the same-sex. Those relationships may be a source of emotional and even spiritual strength. Perhaps the archbishop was suggesting that the Church should recognize those relationships in some way. That seems to be a stretch, and I don’t know if it would be a prudent decision (it seems to me like it would be a continual near occasion of sin), but I suppose he wouldn’t be promoting anything sinful.
 
It’s important that we ‘recognize’ things for what they ARE!
 
ServusHumilis said:
If what reads in the thread title is indeed true I agree though in my mind he’s already excommunicated himself as well as abdicated his seat of archbishop even if he still sits on it. His thinking is modernist in even acknowledging “gays,” as if they’re shackled to their sin. No wonder things are such a mess in that part of Europe. With headlines such as this, anyone who denies the crisis in the Church at this point is simply delusional.
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I manage to stop myself from going off on rants about how the corrosive modernist ideology of heterosexuality is undermining society, I think you can refrain for labeling him modernist for acknowledging the existence of LGB people.
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I understand that some men in the Church with same-sex attraction choose to have chaste (i.e. non-sexual) relationships with other members of the same-sex. Those relationships may be a source of emotional and even spiritual strength. Perhaps the archbishop was suggesting that the Church should recognize those relationships in some way. That seems to be a stretch, and I don’t know if it would be a prudent decision (it seems to me like it would be a continual near occasion of sin), but I suppose he wouldn’t be promoting anything sinful.
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Indeed, it is possible for them to be deep and meaningful, deserving of some benefits without it being called marriage of course they must be nonsexual.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
I manage to stop myself from going off on rants about how the corrosive modernist ideology of heterosexuality is undermining society, I think you can refrain for labeling him modernist for acknowledging the existence of LGB people.
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The only thing worth acknowledging is that it is sinful. If we acknowledge such lifestyles as anything else it’s as if we’re again saying they are shackled to their sin which just isn’t the case. “LGB” and all that nonsense are nothing more than modernist and “PC” labels for sodomites.
 
If this is true it leads me even more so to believe we’re in the End Times. Hope Cardinal Burke, or Bishop Schneider has something to say and soon.
 
Seamus_L said:
If this is true it leads me even more so to believe we’re in the End Times. Hope Cardinal Burke, or Bishop Schneider has something to say and soon.
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We have been in the end times since the Resurrection. I suspect you would have said the same thing had you lived at the time of the Gnostic heresy. Not to mention the Protestant revolution.
 
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