Belgian bishop resigns over paedophile scandal

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I saw this on Google News this morning. There is so much news now about clergy sexual abuse in Europe (particularly Ireland) that an article like this is no longer surprising. Cases seem to be surfacing in Latin America, too. The Chilean Church has apologized for clergy sexual abuse of minors. Doesn’t look like this will end soon.
 
This is sad but necessary for the Church and victims to heal. Hopefully he wasn’t an offender. Unfortunately many bishops were advised by psychologists retained by the diocese that paedophia was caused by stress and could be treated. The offenders were often granted a sebatical and then reassigned. These same psychologists were often used to candidate screening to the seminary.
 
There was a press conference, and he admitted assaulting a boy. This comes as a very big shock to our country, because there were many scandals about ten years ago, and a commission was created. Lots of things came out, and everyone thought the church was cleaned by now. Our former bishop just celebrated his 25th anniversary as a bishop and now confesses to sins he commited even before he was ordained.
We thought it was over, and now it starts all over again …
 
This is the third Bishop to resign this week. How much better it would have been if the Vatican had removed him. We’re going to continue to see the reputation of our Church plummet until we have a real house cleaning from top to bottom. In cases where there has been molestation we need to co-operate with authorities and see to it that those responsible are sent to prison like the criminals they are, whether they be parish priests or Cardinals.
 
This is the third Bishop to resign this week. How much better it would have been if the Vatican had removed him. We’re going to continue to see the reputation of our Church plummet until we have a real house cleaning from top to bottom. In cases where there has been molestation we need to co-operate with authorities and see to it that those responsible are sent to prison like the criminals they are, whether they be parish priests or Cardinals.
I wonder why this isn’t dealt with and house cleaned regardless who has to be cleaned out Our heads need to be removed from the sand.
 
This is sad but necessary for the Church and victims to heal. Hopefully he wasn’t an offender. Unfortunately many bishops were advised by psychologists retained by the diocese that paedophia was caused by stress and could be treated. The offenders were often granted a sebatical and then reassigned. These same psychologists were often used to candidate screening to the seminary.
Wonderful!!:rolleyes: They assigned psychologists who told them this “condition” was caused by STRESS??? I guess what absolutely floors me, is that these intelligent men actually bought this theory. No amount of stress in the world would cause an act so heinously evil!!! Pedophilia is Satanic in nature. This seems to stem from the watering down of the Church’s position on sin, Satanic influence, and mysticism in general in that time period. Problems were only psychological in nature, and had nothing to do with evil or sin, or Satan himself!! The intellectuals in the Church were at the time downplaying it all, and some insisting Satan didn’t even exist. When you water down the faith, this is what you get.:mad: :mad::mad:
 
Wonderful!!:rolleyes: They assigned psychologists who told them this “condition” was caused by STRESS??? I guess what absolutely floors me, is that these intelligent men actually bought this theory. No amount of stress in the world would cause an act so heinously evil!!! Pedophilia is Satanic in nature.
Hey, these were the experts in psychology and human behaviour. They were the ones who had degrees and PhDs in the subject. Maybe the Church should have done otherwise, but when the best in brightest in the field were advising the Church to do this, the Church decided to trust them (after all, they were the experts). It’s only now that we know that these “experts” did not have an understanding of the problem.
 
Hey, these were the experts in psychology and human behaviour. They were the ones who had degrees and PhDs in the subject. Maybe the Church should have done otherwise, but when the best in brightest in the field were advising the Church to do this, the Church decided to trust them (after all, they were the experts). It’s only now that we know that these “experts” did not have an understanding of the problem.
The idea is that “sin” wasn’t even on their map. I am not saying that the Church (in some cases) purposely shuffled these priests around knowing full well that they would “strike again”. I am sure they thought they were on the right track. They thought it to be a psychological problem only that had nothing to do with one of the the worst sins imaginable. You could probably call any perverse addiction a “psychological disorder” from pornography to acting on homosexual tendancies, but the Church seemed to take “sin” and any kind of evil influence out of the equation. This all transpired during the time that sin and/or evil was not on their radar.
 
They assigned psychologists who told them this “condition” was caused by STRESS??? :
A lot of things are caused by stress. For example, a man kills his wife and children if he is stressed out too much.
 
It just keeps on getting worse. Scripture refers to homosexual activity as an abomination.
What is the answer? Should all priests and bishops be required to marry?
Um, forgive me if I have not understood you, but are you honestly implying that ‘homosexuality’ comes about because priests and bishops are not married?

Are you truly not aware that:
  1. Pedophilia (and homosexuality) are not caused by celibacy.
  2. If a person is truly homosexual, or if a person is pedophiliac, then ‘requiring’ them to marry would not only not ‘cure’ the homosexuality, it would be a cruel and sinful action in hurting the woman you’d ‘make’ them marry. For when they ‘remained’ homosexual, how do you think the woman would feel? Like it was her ‘fault’ or that she wasn’t ‘good enough’. . .when it’s not a question that she ‘couldn’t turn them straight’ to begin with.
  3. Furthermore if a person was pedophiliac, in ‘requiring’ them to marry you’d furnish them with their own children to abuse, and to be available for abuse 24/7. By far the most known pedophiles have been **married men. NOT celibate men. **(look up ‘real’ statistics and not urban legends about ‘Catholic priests through the ages’)
  4. Marriage is a sacred union of one man and one woman, who in their love for each other and God, join together for (God willing) the care and procreation of children who will be visible ‘gifts’ and signs of that love. What you’re proposing to do is to use ‘marriage’ as what you erroneously THINK would be a ‘cure’ to homosexuality/ pedophilia. . .what a slap in the face to all married people, what a slap in the face to both homosexual and heterosexual people, what a slap in the face to innocent children for such an’idea’ to be trotted out, an idea that cannot possibly work and would lead to even greater abuses and tragedies than we’ve already seen.
 
Um, forgive me if I have not understood you, but are you honestly implying that ‘homosexuality’ comes about because priests and bishops are not married?

Are you truly not aware that:
  1. Pedophilia (and homosexuality) are not caused by celibacy.
  2. If a person is truly homosexual, or if a person is pedophiliac, then ‘requiring’ them to marry would not only not ‘cure’ the homosexuality, it would be a cruel and sinful action in hurting the woman you’d ‘make’ them marry. For when they ‘remained’ homosexual, how do you think the woman would feel? Like it was her ‘fault’ or that she wasn’t ‘good enough’. . .when it’s not a question that she ‘couldn’t turn them straight’ to begin with.
  3. Furthermore if a person was pedophiliac, in ‘requiring’ them to marry you’d furnish them with their own children to abuse, and to be available for abuse 24/7. By far the most known pedophiles have been **married men. NOT celibate men. **(look up ‘real’ statistics and not urban legends about ‘Catholic priests through the ages’)
  4. Marriage is a sacred union of one man and one woman, who in their love for each other and God, join together for (God willing) the care and procreation of children who will be visible ‘gifts’ and signs of that love. What you’re proposing to do is to use ‘marriage’ as what you erroneously THINK would be a ‘cure’ to homosexuality/ pedophilia. . .what a slap in the face to all married people, what a slap in the face to both homosexual and heterosexual people, what a slap in the face to innocent children for such an’idea’ to be trotted out, an idea that cannot possibly work and would lead to even greater abuses and tragedies than we’ve already seen.
Great post and very true
 
This is sad but necessary for the Church and victims to heal. Hopefully he wasn’t an offender. **Unfortunately many bishops were advised by psychologists retained by the diocese that paedophia was caused by stress and could be treated. ** The offenders were often granted a sebatical and then reassigned. These same psychologists were often used to candidate screening to the seminary.
Anyone who blames the rape and molestation of children on stress is not a serious scientist. There were scientists in the Nazi regime that excused the murder of Jews on the basis of their “inherent inferiority”. It seem that the church just selected some crackpot psychologist in order to have an excuse not to out the horrible abuse going on within it.

I have seen the “but the psychologists told us” excuse used by apologists of the church in these forums. It says much when what is supposed to be the moral authority of the world uses such excuse to hide behind.

For shame!!
 
A lot of things are caused by stress. For example, a man kills his wife and children if he is stressed out too much.
Wow, even under a great deal of stress, people don’t usually cross that line. No way would I believe that pedophile priests did this because they were stressed out. They are pedophiles, plain and simple.
 
I saw the story on CNN when I was at the bank this morning-terribly sad.

Our Lady of Beauraing, pray for Belgium. St. Mutien Marie and St. Damien of Molokai [and of Belgium], pray for your country.

When will this all end? 😦
When the seminaries stop admitting homosexuals.
 
It seem that the church just selected some crackpot psychologist in order to have an excuse not to out the horrible
How ignorant of you. Do you have proof that they were crackpots? The truth is that it was the general consensus of the psychologists. Hindsight is always 20/20
I have seen the “but the psychologists told us” excuse used by apologists of the church in these forums. It says much when what is supposed to be the moral authority of the world uses such excuse to hide behind.

For shame!!
I suspect you would be the first to hammer the bishops with “but they didn’t go to the proper venues of psychiatry” if they had not sought help. It says much about you and your bigotry that you don’t acknowledge that the advise they were given and followed was wrong. It is expecting the bishops to be able to have **your **hindsight, then. Shame on you.
 
I suspect you would be the first to hammer the bishops with “but they didn’t go to the proper venues of psychiatry” if they had not sought help. It says much about you and your bigotry that you don’t acknowledge that the advise they were given and followed was wrong. It is expecting the bishops to be able to have **your **hindsight, then. Shame on you.
Tell me what you would do if you found that one of your co-workers or employees raped and molested a child that was under their care at work. Stop your reflexive defensiveness for one moment and think if you, as a compassionate human being, would be content to just send that co-worker to a psychologist and them reassign them somewhere else to work, often with children again? Would you just trust a psychologist that the worker, who raped and molested a child, is okay to work with children again?

This is nothing to do with hindsight, it is to do with common sense and the criminal negligence of the bishops and priests who allowed this to happen. They have betrayed our trust and I will not give it back easily. One thing is for sure, I will not ever be entrusting my children to the hands of Latin Catholic priests without a thorough review.
 
Tell me what you would do if you found that one of your co-workers or employees raped and molested a child that was under their care at work. Stop your reflexive defensiveness for one moment and think if you, as a compassionate human being, would be content to just send that co-worker to a psychologist and them reassign them somewhere else to work, often with children again? Would you just trust a psychologist that the worker, who raped and molested a child, is okay to work with children again? .
I hope you have the same diligence with teachers, they have a higher rate of molestation than priest and be sure not to let your partner come near them and watch out for yourself. Parents are the highest molester of children.

You phrase your charge of rape and molested which are actually the same. Is that because you wanted to make more of an emotional appeal? Is that why you use the term child ?
A person between birth and puberty.
They weren’t children but adolescence. It doesn’t make it any less horrible but it doesn’t have the same emotional pull does it? It exposes your argument to what is ignorance.

You have unsuccessfully tried to distract from your unsupported statement.
It seem that the church just selected some crackpot psychologist in order to have an excuse not to out the horrible
The bishops sought medical help. You may think that was wrong but you went further than that to indicate that the bishops sought out help that gave them an “excuse”. It was the common medical advice of the time. You want to slaughter so you do everything to make a horrible situation worst. The percentage of priest is less than 2% in ALL of the world yet you want to hold to all priest. Shame on you.
 
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