Believing in the True Jesus - Christians vs Baha'is

[IgnatianPhilo]

I breezed back before I left because this is a gem

Now is that not we are offering you

For a Christian it is Meritorious, as you are offering a Path to truth, but for a Baha’i it is spitting on a Christain

We have the same motive as you would have, does that not at least need consideration?

God Bless you dear friend in God - Gods Love embraces us all, even when we post psat the use by date! Regards Tony

Don’t you have a daisy chain to make?

 

[tonyfish58]

I sing while I type and post here.

The field singers are the chosen angels of God.

God bless you Tony. I wonder if Ignatian would ever tell you to your face “Go sing in the fields somewhere”…

Really, the reasons for Baha’u’llahs grace is evident.

Many who were told to “go sing in the fields somewhere” would say things that may see themselves banned from CAF in response.

But a Baha’i? He says “what a wonderful suggestion!!”

God is indeed great in this wondrous day of patience, humility and righteousness. Bravo Tony, Bravo!! .

May God Bless you in all His Worlds Dear Friend - I will be away for a month, so will not be posting - Hopefully much work to do with the Friends in the Solomon Islands.

Will breeze by when I am back - Love to you - Love to All - Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

I was going to mock you, but there are really no words to describe the baffling response you have just given. Read what I said carefully, very carefully and tell me again that you affirm it because I cannot believe that anyone of reasonable mind or soul could possibly affirm that Jesus was once God from God but then ceased to be God from God. Are you aware of what that introduces into your world view?

There is literally nothing you cannot believe after this point. Any view could be correct, theologically, philosophically, morally, it doesn’t matter. If you have a God who is so fluid so as to literally change every so often hundred or thousand of years what kind of God do you have? Not the God of the bible who is the same Yesterday, today and forever.

No the God of the Bible is NOT three Persons.

And yes, I stand fully and 100% behind my stance that religious Truth is relative, not absolute, and I 100% stand behind the fact that Truth is given from two perspectives, ontology and epistemology.

I hope you can work things out.

It’s basic theology.

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[Servant19]

May God Bless you in all His Worlds Dear Friend - I will be away for a month, so will not be posting - Hopefully much work to do with the Friends in the Solomon Islands.

Will breeze by when I am back - Love to you - Love to All - Regards Tony

May your services reap wondrous fruits for humanity Tony. I know they will. God bless you brother. God bless you!



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[IgnatianPhilo]

No the God of the Bible is not three persons at this time.

And yes, I stand fully and 100% behind my stance that religious Truth is relative, not absolute, and I 100% stand behind the fact that Truth is given from two perspectives, ontology and epistemology.

I hope you can work things out.

It’s basic theology.

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I’ve corrected you. Religious truth is relative, at one point the bible meant trinity and then magically in the year 570 the original intent of the authors changed and the entire substance of the text became an Islamic understanding. Sure Muslims might object to Christ being called the wisdom and Power of God, the one to whom the father says “Your throne o god is Forever,” but Muslims just didn’t have the wisdom of Bahai to redefine words into however they want.

The magical year was the year when your prophet came however and both islamic and Christian views of the bible were thrown upside down. Let throw 2000 years of exposition and understanding of the bible out of the window, utterly and thoroughly useless. God changed the meaning just like that, like how he changed himself. At one point he was Jesus, then he was This persian guy and then he became Morgan Freeman. OH I might have made a mistake there, but eh who knows God can do whatever so I’m sure it will happen given the infinite amount of time we have.

 

[tonyfish58]

As I part for a while I would like to offer to those on CAF a reflection on the Station of a Manifestation.

These are entirely my Ideas based on what I currently understand, but I am afraid to say that understanding will always fall well short of the Truth.

God we are Told is Unknowable, Man is barred from this Knowledge, we can not attain unto it all doors are shut. God is the Most Great Spirit.

Emanating from God is the Holy Spirit, within that Spirit are all the Attributes that are of God, but not God. All these attributes radiate from the Holy Spirit and Give Life. There is no Beginning and No End.

Each of these attributes of God have been given a certain Power and Influence in this World of Existence, indeed in all the Worlds of God.

Throughout History each one of these attributes is revealed to mankind in the Form of a Human Temple, who on earth is known by a different Name and a different Station, each invested with a specific message to impart to mankind. Each showing the Power of the Holy Spirit that God has Willed. All impart to mankind the same Holy Spirit.

Christ was “The Anointed One”, Muhammad “The Seal of the Prophets” the Bab “The Gate” and Baha’u’llah “The Glory of God (or Glory of the Lord)”.

Up to now and into the future for another 500,000 years Each one of these Human Temples Chosen by and begotten of God who have received Gods Word and Holy Spirit have received it through “The Glory of God”.

What an age we live in the age that all the Prophets of the Past have longed for this age when The Most Great Spirit (God) Revealed Himself Directly to Mankind through His Prophet, Baha’u’llah, “The Glory of God”.

The voice in the burning Bush that of the Father “The Glory of God”.

This is what is meant by The “Father is Greater than I”, “I do nothing but what the Father tells me”. “Not My Will but the Fathers Will be done”. " sat down on the Right Hand of the Father".

Oh how much more to know, but what a puny mind I have to grasp this all! May each day open another door of understanding into the unstoppable Word of God.

God Bless all and Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

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Looks like a Demon in the center.

 

[Techno2000]

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[Servant19]

I’ve corrected you. Religious truth is relative, at one point the bible meant trinity and then magically in the year 570 the original intent of the authors changed and the entire substance of the text became an Islamic understanding. Sure Muslims might object to Christ being called the wisdom and Power of God, the one to whom the father says “Your throne o god is Forever,” but Muslims just didn’t have the wisdom of Bahai to redefine words into however they want.

The magical year was the year when your prophet came however and both islamic and Christian views of the bible were thrown upside down. Let throw 2000 years of exposition and understanding of the bible out of the window, utterly and thoroughly useless. God changed the meaning just like that, like how he changed himself. At one point he was Jesus, then he was This persian guy and then he became Morgan Freeman. OH I might have made a mistake there, but eh who knows God can do whatever so I’m sure it will happen given the infinite amount of time we have.

Yahweh was never three Persons in the Old Testament, or any Jewish Scripture. You can ask any Jewish scholar. So yes, in the Christian era it was made 3 persons, which satisfied a purpose.

AND THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS AGAIN NOT THREE PERSONS AT THIS TIME, TODAY.

There, now we’ve corrected each other and we have a principle called progressive revelation at play.



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[Servant19]

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Looks like a Demon in the center.

You still haven’t answered the question why you know Jesus was not Demonic…



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[meltzerboy]

Yahweh was never three Persons in the Old Testament, or any Jewish Scripture. You can ask any Jewish scholar. So yes, in the Christian era it was made 3 persons, which satisfied a purpose.

AND THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS AGAIN NOT THREE PERSONS AT THIS TIME, TODAY.

There, now we’ve corrected each other and we have a principle called progressive revelation at play.



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Christians believe that G-d has ALWAYS been Trinitarian, including in the Hebrew Scriptures, and they cite verses in the Hebrew Bible to show why. Jews interpret the same verses differently, and apparently so do Baha’is. It is one of the most fundamental religious debates, and neither side is going to relinquish its position any time soon. Better to leave it at that.

 

[Servant19]

Christians believe that G-d has ALWAYS been Trinitarian, including in the Hebrew Scriptures, and they cite verses in the Hebrew Bible to show why. Jews interpret the same verses differently, and apparently so do Baha’is. It is one of the most fundamental religious debates, and neither side is going to relinquish its position any time soon. Better to leave it at that.

Hi meltzerboy, I understand what you are saying, but the discussion revolves around the reality that in the Baha’i Revelation it is stated that the Revelation is relevant to the comprehensive Divine Plan.

If God chooses to reveal that God is one in the Jewish Dispensation, then that is Truth. If then, later on in the Christian Dispensation, He chooses to reveal God as three Persons then that is Truth too.

Everything revealed by God is not Absolute Truth, but rather it is epistemological Truth designed for the sole purpose of drawing an ever evolving human consciousness towards a richer relationship with its Lord. The Truth revealed is tailored with wisdom towards each Age and each population, and its spiritual evolution and maturity…



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[Techno2000]

Yahweh was never three Persons in the Old Testament, or any Jewish Scripture. You can ask any Jewish scholar. So yes, in the Christian era it was made 3 persons, which satisfied a purpose.

AND THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS AGAIN NOT THREE PERSONS AT THIS TIME, TODAY.

There, now we’ve corrected each other and we have a principle called progressive revelation at play.



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Many things have I to say to you ;but you are not yet disposed to receive them.
excerpt :
These words He addressed to all the world, for it was not yet capable of giving full
obedience to the law of grace and full assent to the faith
in the Son, much less was it prepared to be introduced
into the mysteries of his Mother. But now, mankind
has greater need for this manifestation, and this neces
sity urges Me to disregard their evil disposition. And if
men would now seek to please Me by reverencing, be
lieving, and studying the wonders, which are intimately
connected with this Mother of Piety, and if they would
all begin to solicit her intercession from their whole
heart, the world would find some relief. I will not longer
withhold from men this mystical City of refuge; de
scribe and delineate it to them, as far as thy shortcom
ings allow.

The Mystical City of God: Life of the Virgin Mother of God, manifested to Sister Mary of Jesus of Agreda, 1602-1666 - Imprimatur H. J. Alerding, Bishop of Fort Wayne. Rome City, Ind., Aug. 24, 1912.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm

 

[Michael1978]

Hi meltzerboy, I understand what you are saying, but the discussion revolves around the reality that in the Baha’i Revelation it is stated that the Revelation is relevant to the comprehensive Divine Plan.

If God chooses to reveal that God is one in the Jewish Dispensation, then that is Truth. If then, later on in the Christian Dispensation, He chooses to reveal God as three Persons then that is Truth too.

Everything revealed by God is not Absolute Truth, but rather it is epistemological Truth designed for the sole purpose of drawing an ever evolving human consciousness towards a richer relationship with its Lord. The Truth revealed is tailored with wisdom towards each Age and each population, and its spiritual evolution and maturity…



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If this is true, hasn’t The Bahá’í Faith been trumped by Caodaism, Christian Science, Scientology, Unitarian Universalism, Raëlism, Stregheria, etc.?

 

[Servant19]

If this is true, hasn’t The Bahá’í Faith been trumped by Caodaism, Christian Science, Scientology, Unitarian Universalism, Raëlism, Stregheria, etc.?

“By their fruits ye shall know them…”

Ask yourself dear friend, are the fruits of the Bahai Faith from God?
Are the fruits comparable to Christianity?
Can any of the religions and movements you list be remotely compared to Christisnity and the Bahai Faith in their fruits?

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[Servant19]

Many things have I to say to you ;but you are not yet disposed to receive them.
excerpt :
These words He addressed to all the world, for it was not yet capable of giving full
obedience to the law of grace and full assent to the faith
in the Son, much less was it prepared to be introduced
into the mysteries of his Mother. But now, mankind
has greater need for this manifestation, and this neces
sity urges Me to disregard their evil disposition. And if
men would now seek to please Me by reverencing, be
lieving, and studying the wonders, which are intimately
connected with this Mother of Piety, and if they would
all begin to solicit her intercession from their whole
heart, the world would find some relief. I will not longer
withhold from men this mystical City of refuge; de
scribe and delineate it to them, as far as thy shortcom
ings allow.

The Mystical City of God: Life of the Virgin Mother of God, manifested to Sister Mary of Jesus of Agreda, 1602-1666 - Imprimatur H. J. Alerding, Bishop of Fort Wayne. Rome City, Ind., Aug. 24, 1912.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm

Forgive me but I have no idea what your point is here Techno…

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[Techno2000]

Forgive me but I have no idea what your point is here Techno…

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Many things have I to say to you ;but you are not yet disposed to receive them.

This all about the Blessed Mother, which the church could not understand at that time.

 

[eddie_too]

it is beyond disrespectful to Jesus to claim, as do the bahai and Mormons for example, that He was not capable of providing the Truth about God and Creation to the twelve apostles whom He spent three years educating.

what kind of messenger from God cannot even tell His followers simple truths in a manner that they can understand.

upon this concept, that Jesus was not able to tell the Twelve what He wanted communicated by them to the world, rests the Bahia faith and the Mormon faith.

their entire belief system is built upon the belief that the message the apostles gave to the world is essentially wrong. if it is wrong, then Jesus’ attempts to give the Truth to the apostles was in vain. so, to be a true bahai or Mormon or any other type of non-Christian cultist, one must first believe that Jesus was not gifted enough to educate the twelve in the Eternal and Divine mysteries.

if that is not the ultimate putdown of Jesus, I am not sure what would be.

so, if I reject with vigor and spirit anything the bahai might present here, now you know why. calling my Jesus little more than a dunce opens no doors but provides motivation to make sure no one falls for such a line of garbage (that Jesus was a totally ineffective dunce is the garbage I am talking about and the garbage the bahai who post here are trying to sell.

I fully expect the bahai who read this to try and explain that no, they truly respect Jesus and accord Him status as a messenger of God. they will in no way try to explain how their teaching that the apostles got everything Jesus taught wrong does not make Jesus an ineffective dunce.

so, I reject totally and completely the pure attack on Jesus that the bahai are trying to sell in this thread.

 

[eddie_too]

please fellow Christians remember, if Jesus is not of One Nature with the Father we are still in our sins and the Law still condemns us to separation from our Creator because Jesus’ sacrifice was no different from any other human being’s sacrifice. that being finite and the efforts of a creature before its Creator.

how does one make amends with a Perfect and Infinite Being? only with a Perfect and Infinite sacrifice.

perhaps it can be demonstrated at the purely human level. if someone with no money or assets broke in to a wealthy person’s house and stole something worth ten billion dollars and subsequently destroyed the precious object,how does the thief make it right with the wealthy owner? the thief can never make amends because the thief does not have the means to make amends. the thief is destined to forever be at odds with the wealthy person he or she offended.

we finite and imperfect humans are like the thief and the wealthy man is like our Creator. the theft is like our offenses against God. the object stolen is like God’s good will toward us.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Yahweh was never three Persons in the Old Testament, or any Jewish Scripture. You can ask any Jewish scholar. So yes, in the Christian era it was made 3 persons, which satisfied a purpose.

AND THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS AGAIN NOT THREE PERSONS AT THIS TIME, TODAY.

There, now we’ve corrected each other and we have a principle called progressive revelation at play.



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I disagree with your assessment of the Old testament, I do not think it necessarily implies a Unitarianism. But tell me if it is possible your God can change why is it impossible for your God to cease to exist? What’s stopping him from taking the celestial suicide pill?