Believing in the True Jesus - Christians vs Baha'is

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IgnatianPhilo said:
So they were guided by the spirit to say Jesus and the Holy spirit is God? Do you really believe that?
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Yes.

God guided Moses to reveal the Law, and then He revealed that “the Law is death” some time later through Paul…

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Servant19 said:
Yes.

God guided Moses to reveal the Law, and then He revealed that “the Law is death” some time later through Paul…

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So you agree these statements:

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

And

[But those who say: ‘There was a time when he was not;’ and ‘He was not before he was made;’ and ‘He was made out of nothing,’ or ‘He is of another substance’ or ‘essence,’ or ‘The Son of God is created,’ or ‘changeable,’ or ‘alterable’—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

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This is inspired of God to you?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Was this the intent of the fathers of Nicaea, Constantinople, Chalcedon and others?
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It boils down to us accepting

“God Doeth as He Willeth”

The Christians embraced that concept 2000 years ago with the coming of Christ which was obviously not what the Jews were looking for. Thank God they did!

Why is it such a hard concept to now embrace?

What is lost in Christ by accepting the promised further Revelations?

Could there not be only loss if they are not accepted?

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Servant19 said:
No the fathers of Nicea, Chalcedon etc. were guided by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit deemed it necessary to reveal what it did to them for a Divine Purpose.

Today, in this new heaven and new earth, the Holy Spirit has deemed it necessary to teach what the Bahai Revelation has provided.

The same thing happened when Jesus came and taught differently to what the Jews had been taught…

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The New Heaven and the New Earth is about Jesus and Mary… the New Adam and the New Eve.
 
tonyfish58 said:
It boils down to us accepting

“God Doeth as He Willeth”

The Christians embraced that concept 2000 years ago with the coming of Christ which was obviously not what the Jews were looking for. Thank God they did!

Why is it such a hard concept to now embrace?

What is lost in Christ by accepting the promised further Revelations?

Could there not be only loss if they are not accepted?

God Bless and Regards Tony
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Tony why is that you prefer not to answer questions? To servant’s credit at least he gives an answer. An answer which digs himself a deeper hole of incoherence and contradiction but an answer nontheless. The question was this, does the way you use the term trinity contradict how the fathers and councils went about discussing the theological concept?

Now in terms of what is lost in accepting your view I would have to dismiss all my beliefs. Not a single one would be left if I were to become bahai. Christianity is destroyed if bahai is correct. Christ fails to be the only source for salvation in the bahai model of the universe. Can you as a bahai celebrate the divine liturgy? Can you partake of baptism? Can you partake of the Eucharist which is the very blood and flesh of the lord Jesus? No, you deny these things and spit on them when you say “they are not now necessary.”

At least Christians are honest in telling jews what it means to accept Christ. It means to not tie yourself down to the law, it means to accept a new means of being, faith in Jesus. Something is lost when you come to Jesus and that is falsehood. Don’t pretend Tony and don’t bother giving a reply if you want to be nonsensial poet. Go and sing in the fields somewhere else.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
So you agree these statements:

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

And

[But those who say: ‘There was a time when he was not;’ and ‘He was not before he was made;’ and ‘He was made out of nothing,’ or ‘He is of another substance’ or ‘essence,’ or ‘The Son of God is created,’ or ‘changeable,’ or ‘alterable’—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

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This is inspired of God to you?
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Was the Law inspired of God to you?

Do you agree that the “Law gives life”?

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Servant19 said:
Was the Law inspired of God to you?

Do you agree that the “Law gives life”?

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No i do not agree, the law while being good and God inspired only leads one of their inability to fulfill the entirety of it. Now do you agree with those statements of Nicaea which you say are God inspired? Do quote the phrases again?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Tony why is that you prefer not to answer questions? To servant’s credit at least he gives an answer. An answer which digs himself a deeper hole of incoherence and contradiction but an answer nontheless. The question was this, does the way you use the term trinity contradict how the fathers and councils went about discussing the theological concept?

Now in terms of what is lost in accepting your view I would have to dismiss all my beliefs. Not a single one would be left if I were to become bahai. Christianity is destroyed if bahai is correct. Christ fails to be the only source for salvation in the bahai model of the universe. Can you as a bahai celebrate the divine liturgy? Can you partake of baptism? Can you partake of the Eucharist which is the very blood and flesh of the lord Jesus? No, you deny these things and spit on them when you say “they are not now necessary.”

At least Christians are honest in telling jews what it means to accept Christ. It means to not tie yourself down to the law, it means to accept a new means of being, faith in Jesus. Something is lost when you come to Jesus and that is falsehood. Don’t pretend Tony and don’t bother giving a reply if you want to be nonsensial poet. Go and sing in the fields somewhere else.
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And may I ask you, what of Jewish beliefs would remain were a Jew to become a Christian? The Sabbath? What exactly?

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IgnatianPhilo said:
No i do not agree, the law while being good and God inspired only leads one of their inability to fulfill the entirety of it. Now do you agree with those statements of Nicaea which you say are God inspired? Do quote the phrases again?
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Ummmmmm.

Do I agree with those statements of Nicea?

No i do not agree, the (statements) while being good and God inspired only leads one against Truth in this new Day.

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IgnatianPhilo said:
Tony why is that you prefer not to answer questions? To servant’s credit at least he gives an answer. An answer which digs himself a deeper hole of incoherence and contradiction but an answer nontheless. The question was this, does the way you use the term trinity contradict how the fathers and councils went about discussing the theological concept?

Now in terms of what is lost in accepting your view I would have to dismiss all my beliefs. Not a single one would be left if I were to become bahai. Christianity is destroyed if bahai is correct. Christ fails to be the only source for salvation in the bahai model of the universe. Can you as a bahai celebrate the divine liturgy? Can you partake of baptism? Can you partake of the Eucharist which is the very blood and flesh of the lord Jesus? No, you deny these things and spit on them when you say “they are not now necessary.”

At least Christians are honest in telling jews what it means to accept Christ. It means to not tie yourself down to the law, it means to accept a new means of being, faith in Jesus. Something is lost when you come to Jesus and that is falsehood. Don’t pretend Tony and don’t bother giving a reply if you want to be nonsensial poet. Go and sing in the fields somewhere else.
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“Go and sing in the fields somewhere else”. That dear friend in God is a most excellent suggestion!

In fact it is what I have chosen to do, I thank you for confirming my choice.

God Bless all here and I will be away in the Fields for quite some time, so I wish you all well and Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
If you ask a Million people who Baha’u’llah is two might give you a answer .
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Hahahahahah…that’s quite funny…

Truth is not a numbers game. But you will surprise yourself if you did a survey of a hundred people 🙂

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Servant19 said:
Ummmmmm.

Do I agree with those statements of Nicea?

No i do not agree, the (statements) while being good and God inspired only leads one against Truth in this new Day.

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So at one time it was true to say Jesus was “Light from light, True God of True God, begotten not created, of the same substance of the father”?

So it was true when the council said it in 325, that is Jesus was God for a short time and then when Muhammad was Born about the year 570, Jesus ceased to be the “light from light, true God of true God, begotten and not created of the same substance as the father”?

So for 245 years the council of Nicaea was correct?
 
tonyfish58 said:
“Go and sing in the fields somewhere else”. That dear friend in God is a most excellent suggestion!

In fact it is what I have chosen to do, I thank you for confirming my choice.

God Bless all here and I will be away in the Fields for quite some time, so I wish you all well and Regards Tony
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I sing while I type and post here.

The field singers are the chosen angels of God.

God bless you Tony. I wonder if Ignatian would ever tell you to your face “Go sing in the fields somewhere”…

Really, the reasons for Baha’u’llahs grace is evident.

Many who were told to “go sing in the fields somewhere” would say things that may see themselves banned from CAF in response.

But a Baha’i? He says “what a wonderful suggestion!!”

God is indeed great in this wondrous day of patience, humility and righteousness. Bravo Tony, Bravo!!

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IgnatianPhilo said:
So at one time it was true to say Jesus was “Light from light, True God of True God, begotten not created, of the same substance of the father”?

So it was true when the council said it in 325, that is Jesus was God for a short time and then when Muhammad was Born about the year 570, Jesus ceased to be the “light from light, true God of true God, begotten and not created of the same substance as the father”?

So for 245 years the council of Nicaea was correct?
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Yup 🙂

Please understand though that there are two perspectives to Truth.
That is why in Christianity there is the Deus a se as opposed to the Deus pro nobis

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Servant19 said:
Yup 🙂

Please understand though that there are two perspectives to Truth.
That is why in Christianity there is the Deus a se as opposed to the Deus pro nobis

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I was going to mock you, but there are really no words to describe the baffling response you have just given. Read what I said carefully, very carefully and tell me again that you affirm it because I cannot believe that anyone of reasonable mind or soul could possibly affirm that Jesus was once God from God but then ceased to be God from God. Are you aware of what that introduces into your world view?

There is literally nothing you cannot believe after this point. Any view could be correct, theologically, philosophically, morally, it doesn’t matter. If you have a God who is so fluid so as to literally change every so often hundred or thousand of years what kind of God do you have? Not the God of the bible who is the same Yesterday, today and forever.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
At least Christians are honest in telling jews what it means to accept Christ. It means to not tie yourself down to the law, it means to accept a new means of being, faith in Jesus. Something is lost when you come to Jesus and that is falsehood. Don’t pretend Tony and don’t bother giving a reply if you want to be nonsensial poet. Go and sing in the fields somewhere else.
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I breezed back before I left because this is a gem 😉

Now is that not we are offering you 😊

For a Christian it is Meritorious, as you are offering a Path to truth, but for a Baha’i it is spitting on a Christian 🤷

We have the same motive as you would have, does that not at least need consideration?

God Bless you dear friend in God - Gods Love embraces us all, even when we post psat the use by date! Regards Tony
 
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