Ben Carson and "immigrants"

[pnewton]

As I said before to contradict your statement, Carson did not make that statement to insinuate than slavery was anything less evil that it was, of which you accused Carson of in a very uncharitable way.

I keep hearing how intelligent he is, yet, here we are. If you think what I said was less than accurate and uncharitable, then you are welcome to report it. I do not know how many options there are though. Do his words not mean what he says? Is he really not as intelligent as we have been lead to believe? Is he highly intelligent in some ways, but less than functional in other? Is he just ignorant of history?

Like I said, here we are. I know a lot of things said are exaggerated and twisted by the press. I do not see any way out of this one though, based purely on the words he used.

Now the discussion is how slavery wasn’t really all that bad, at least every where it wasn’t all that bad. Thanks, Mr. Carson. Your legacy with the HHS is starting. That is what authority and leadership means.

 

[Michael68]

What I am doing is using a modern understanding of the word, to be sure. I get that. I guess I would rather use the modern understanding of human dignity to show the contrast of the rather bizarre comparison of chattel slavery to the immigration of today.

In no case would I ever downplay the horrific sin of chattel slavery in the United States, as did Carson, and as does his defenders of that remark.

What you say about Carson and his supporters is not true and uncharitable. Obama said the same thing and there was no outrage!

 

[dmelosi]

I keep hearing how intelligent he is, yet, here we are. If you think what I said was less than accurate and uncharitable, then you are welcome to report it. I do not know how many options there are though. Do his words not mean what he says? Is he really not as intelligent as we have been lead to believe? Is he highly intelligent in some ways, but less than functional in other? Is he just ignorant of history?

Like I said, here we are. I know a lot of things said are exaggerated and twisted by the press. I do not see any way out of this one though, based purely on the words he used.

Now the discussion is how slavery wasn’t really all that bad, at least every where it wasn’t all that bad. Thanks, Mr. Carson. Your legacy with the HHS is starting. That is what authority and leadership means.

His clarification was posted early in this thread, you make no mention of that for some reason.

 

[sunnygirl807]

I didn’t dispute families were separated. I’ve read the slave narratives. The funny thing about them is just as some slaves talk about how bad they had it some talk about how good they had it. Again I didn’t dispute that some slaves were cruelly beaten. I asked what evidence you had that this was the norm? I think it is important to have an accurate understanding of our history.

The slaves’ “Good” treatment by their owners was usually compared to the treatment of other slave owners. For example, their accounting usually stated their master was good, yet other owners were horrible. Did you not read the multiple accounts of slaves never seeing their parents again, because they were sold? Also, many of the people interviewed for the narratives were children, teenagers, and young adults when slavery ended. The narratives were collected decades after slavery had ended.

 

[Faithdancer]

Well one accusation that’s hard to throw at Dr. Carson–that he is a racist. I’m sure if he were white there’d be ten times the outrage.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Well one accusation that’s hard to throw at Dr. Carson–that he is a racist. I’m sure if he were white there’d be ten times the outrage.

Maybe not a racist per say, but some have said that he’s behaving like a bit of an Uncle Tom. Personally, I don’t feel 100% comfortable going that far, but I do get the sentiment.

 

[dmelosi]

Maybe not a racist per say, but some have said that he’s behaving like a bit of an Uncle Tom. Personally, I don’t feel 100% comfortable going that far, but I do get the sentiment.

Then would you also have that same sentiment with what Obama said?

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Then would you also have that same sentiment with what Obama said?

Yes, I do.