The case is stronger than that. As you just learned, Darwinists strongly and effectively refuted the claims of the eugenists, particularly the ones used by Nazis to justify the Holocaust. They were on the other side. There were lawyers and theologians and philosophers who agreed with the Darwinists that classical eugenics was bunk, of course. But the fact remains that Stein is trying to justify his position by blaming the group that most strongly opposed what Hitler did. As you probably realize by now, he depends on lies and prejudice to persuade.
We’ve already tested that claim. As you saw, Darwinians destroyed any rationale for classic eugenics.
Yes…and openned the door for a new form of eugenice ( see article below)
Politicians have made it so. Few of them are scientists.
Politicians have to back up their arguments with the facts they get from these scietists and medical groups.
Today, it’s pretty much genetic counseling, to let people know the risks of passing on a problem to their children.
SEE ARTICLE BELOW
No. The point of Punnett, Morgan, Muller, and other Darwinians was that the whole idea was flawed.
SO THEY REDIRECTED IT>>>THEY STILL HAD ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AIM.
By the mid-1930s, according to Daniel Kevles, ‘mainline eugenics had generally been recognized as a farrago of flawed science.’ By then, most geneticists accepted that eugenic sterilization could not rid society of its undesirables.
P.M.H. Mazumdar, ‘Reform’ eugenics and the decline of Mendelism
The killing continues, but there is no justification according to evolutionary theory.
Whether it comes from evolutionary science or not, science is not standing up against the genetic engeneering crowd
In fact, most of their policies came from people like Martin Luther; if you read “The Jews and Their Lies”, you will see Hitler’s program, with only the gas chambers missing. Let’s be honest about the issue, um?
I hardly think Martin Luther could have come up with the programs we are talking about…I am not familiar with the work you are talking about however, there could have been some material in it but the historical facts are that scientists formed the foundation and are still working on the same ideas. SEE ARTCLE:
IEvolutionary theory does not assert materialism, nor does it assert that humans are merely material processes. Darwin, in his book, asserted that God created the first living things. Wallace, who co-discovered modern evolutionary theory, asserted that man was a unique creation of God, apart from the animals. Again, you’re blaming science for the sins of your own people.
Just who are ‘my people’?______________________
Barbarian I think you are underestimating the influence eugenics had on Darwin and continues to have on science in the area of biology and medicine today.
There is an excellent article on the EWTN document site which outlines and traces th history of the eugenics movment showing its influence on Darwin and its continuing influence on the medical/science community of today. I recommend you review it.
ewtn.com/library/PROLIFE/INTROEUG.TXT
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"In 1970, I. I. Gottesman, a director of the American Eugenics
Society, defined it in this way: “The essence of evolution is
natural selection; the essence of eugenics is the replacement of
‘natural’ selection by conscious, premeditated, or artificial
selection in the hope of speeding up the evolution of ‘desirable’
characteristics and the elimination of undesirable ones.”
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The Population Council, one of the new eugenic organizations
that emerged after World War II, no longer spoke of eugenics as a religion (in fact, avoided the word eugenics altogether), but
launched “studies relating to the social, ethical and moral
dimensions” of population studies, recognizing that these
questions involve matters “of a cultural, moral and spiritual
nature.” The new field of bioethics is a response to issues
raised by eugenics. Bioethics is based on situation ethics, which
was developed largely by Joseph Fletcher, a member of the American Eugenics Society."
"In 1968, the Eugenics Review ran an article summarizing some
of the activities of the Eugenics Society. The article quoted a
proposal made by in the late 1950s by Dr. Carlos Paton Blacker,
who had been an officer in the Eugenics Society since 1931
(Secretary, then General Secretary, then Director, then Chairman):
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That the Society should pursue eugenic ends by less obvious
means, that is by a policy of crypto-eugenics, which was
apparently proving successful in the US Eugenics Society.
In 1960, Blacker’s proposal was adopted by the Eugenics
Society.
A resolution which was accepted stated (in part):
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The Society's activities in crypto-eugenics should be pursued
vigorously, and specifically that the Society should increase
its monetary support of the FPA [Family Planning Association,
the English branch of Planned Parenthood] and the IPPF
[International Planned Parenthood Federation] and should make
contact with the Society for the Study of Human Biology,
which already has a strong and active membership, to find out if
any relevant projects are contemplated with which the Eugenics
Society could assist.
At the time this resolution was adopted by the Eugenics
Society, Blacker was the Administrative Chairman of IPPF. When IPPF was
founded in 1952, it was housed in the offices of the Eugenics
Society.
The dominant figure in the eugenics movement in the United
States, considered by the English to be a model of crypto-
eugenics, was Major General Frederick Osborn, a master
propagandist. In 1956, he said people “won’t accept the idea that
they are in general, second rate. We must rely on other
motivation.” He called the new motivation “a system of voluntary
unconscious selection.” The way to persuade people to exercise
this voluntary unconscious selection was to appeal to the idea of
“wanted” children. Osborn said, “Let’s base our proposals on the
desirability of having children born in homes where they will get
affectionate and responsible care.” In this way, the eugenics
movement “will move at last towards the high goal which Galton set
for it.”
Osborn stated the public relations problem bluntly: “Eugenic
goals are most likely to be attained under a name other than
eugenics.” He pointed to genetic counseling as a prime example:
“Heredity clinics are the first eugenic proposals that have been
adopted in a practical form and accepted by the public. … The
word eugenics is not associated with them.”
Osborn is often credited with reforming the eugenics movement
after World War II, and purging the racism. However, during the
time of this reform, he was President of the Pioneer Fund, holding
that office secretly from 1947 to 1956. The Pioneer Fund is a
notorious white supremacist organization. Obviously, a secret
racist wouldn’t purge racism; he would purge open racism, leaving
a policy that critics might call “crypto-racism.”
In 1960, a member of the Eugenics Society, Reginald Ruggles
Gates, founded a new periodical to advance racist ideas. The
Advisory Council of the new journal, Mankind Quarterly, included
yet another member of the Darwin family, Charles Galton Darwin.
One idea advanced in the journal is the belief that anthropology,
if it is understood honestly, shows that mankind is divided into
four species. The first issue stated that desegregation happened
because “American anthropologists were responsible for introducing equalitarianism into anthropology, ignoring the hereditary differences between races, …until the uninstructed public were gradually misled. Equality of opportunity, which everyone supports, was replaced by a doctrine of genetic and social equality, which is something quite different.”
Before the war, the American Eugenics Society laid out its
research aims, including many investigations in sociology,
psychology, anthropology and biology. But they noted especially
the important new fields: population study and genetics.
After the war, research in genetics was led by one of the
German eugenicist besides von Verschuer who had continued his work, Dr. Franz J. Kallmann. He had been “associated with Dr. Ernst Rudin, investigating in genetic psychiatry.” He was half Jewish, so he was driven out of Germany in 1936 by Hitler. Nonetheless, he testified on behalf of von Verschuer after the war. Kallmann taught psychiatry at Columbia, and in 1948 he founded the American Society of Human Genetics. He became a member of the American Eugenics Society. This Society developed hundreds of prenatal tests but did not look for cures, although every test was hyped as a potential lead towards a cure.
Over the next years, at least 124 people were members of both
Kallmann’s American Society of Human Genetics and the American Eugenics Society. The overwhelming evidence of a commitment to eugenics at the American Society of Human Genetics is especially troubling when you note that members of this society promoted, developed and now lead the multi-billion dollar Human Genome Project.
Negative eugenics, or ending the over-production of the
“unfit,” is obviously well underway with widespread contraception,
sterilization and abortion. But positive eugenics, or the
increased production of the “fit,” can be advanced through
artificial insemination, in vitro fertilization and genetic
engineering. The Human Genome Project would certainly help in a scheme of positive eugenics.
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SECOND NEW FIELD: POPULATION CONTROL
After World War II, the eugenics movement discovered (or
invented) the population explosion, and whipped up global hysteria about it. From 1952 on, a major part of the eugenics movement was the population control movement. The population explosion made it possible for eugenics movement to continue its work more from the fit, less from the unfit with the same people to do the same things, but with a new public rationale.
The transformation from open eugenics to population planning
is described well by Germaine Greer: “It now seems strange that men who had been conspicuous in the eugenics movement were able to move quite painlessly into the population establishment at the highest level, but if we reflect that the paymasters were the same Ford, Mellon, Du Pont, Standard Oil, Rockefeller and Shell are still the same, we can only assume that people like Kingsley
Davis, Frank W. Notestein, C. C. Little, E. A. Ross, the Osborns
Frederick and Fairfield, Philip M. Hauser, Alan Guttmacher and
Sheldon Segal were being rewarded for past services.” That is,
the population control movement was the same money, the same
leaders, the same activities with a new excuse.
One of the organizations that promoted eugenics under the new
population rubric was the Population Council. It was founded in
1952 by John D. Rockefeller 3rd, and spent $173,621,654 in its
first 25 years. That is not a bad budget for one of the
organizations in a dead movement! Clearly, the people who think
the eugenics movement died in the rubble in Berlin do not
understand crypto-eugenics, genetics or population control!
The extent of the population control movement is hard to
imagine, and harder to exaggerate. During the past 25 years,
there have been approximately 1.5 billion surgical abortions
globally. The United Nations Population Fund has sponsored three meetings bringing together the heads of state from most of the world to develop a global population strategy, in Bucharest in
1974, Mexico City in 1984, and in Cairo in 1994. No other global
problem has been the occasion for meetings comparable to these
three. The World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International
Development, and governmental agencies from nearly all the
industrialized nations have contributed billions of dollars to
campaigns designed to decrease population growth. "
