Benedictine Oblate #2

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jwinch2 said:
I haven’t as of yet. I have been considering it but haven’t taken the plunge. Since I pray the hours with my wife, we typically use the Breviary which can be found for free on dvineoffice.org and leave it at that. Its very easy since they put everything online and in proper order for you. However, I would like to have something more closely aligned with monastic tradition.

They make a monastic diurnal which is musically noted for chanting the hours and I am considering breaking down and getting that one at some point.

Peace,
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I tried the MD. Problem is, there is no written or online ordo* for it. 😦
  • actually, there is a yahoo community for praying it, but the instructions (at least to me) are just too confusing:o
 
Well, today I went to Mass to obtain the Porziuncola Indulgence

(see forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=699044 )

At Mass, I finally knew. So, even though it involves a greater sacrifice of time and money, it’s the Franciscans. I hope that my return can in some small way save the fraternity.

Thanks everyone in here for your support and (name removed by moderator)ut. You will never know how much it has meant to me.

-Lou

BTW, the Porziuncola Indulgence can be gained by anyone (ie, not just Franciscans). And in any church, if there is not a Franciscan one near you.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Well, today I went to Mass to obtain the Porziuncola Indulgence

(see forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=699044 )

At Mass, I finally knew. So, even though it involves a greater sacrifice of time and money, it’s the Franciscans. I hope that my return can in some small way save the fraternity.

Thanks everyone in here for your support and (name removed by moderator)ut. You will never know how much it has meant to me.

-Lou

BTW, the Porziuncola Indulgence can be gained by anyone (ie, not just Franciscans). And in any church, if there is not a Franciscan one near you.
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Luigi,

Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended, which is of an outside observer who wants to help.

Have you considered the thought that you should really be doing neither of these? I only say this because you have gone back and forth so many times in the last months. In fact, you seem to have “known” on more than one occasion as well. If you go back and look through this thread, I believe you will clearly see what I mean. I can easily understand getting into something and realizing that it is not the proper path for you. Obviously, I have been through that process myself. However, that does not seem to be what you are experiencing.

I hope that this comes across the right way.

Peace,
 
jwinch2 said:
Luigi,

Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended, which is of an outside observer who wants to help.

Have you considered the thought that you should really be doing neither of these? I only say this because you have gone back and forth so many times in the last months. In fact, you seem to have “known” on more than one occasion as well. If you go back and look through this thread, I believe you will clearly see what I mean. I can easily understand getting into something and realizing that it is not the proper path for you. Obviously, I have been through that process myself. However, that does not seem to be what you are experiencing.

I hope that this comes across the right way.

Peace,
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Jason,

You may be right. In the past every time that I “knew” it was from the outside, as it were.
This time it truly was from the inside. I almost didn’t go to Mass this morning. I was shot, having worked a ridiculous stretch of hours. In the end it was my wife that insisted that I go. She said that she has always said “Franciscan”, from the beginning. The only reason she went along, as it were, with the Benedictines is because the meetings are in a safer neighborhood. I reminded her that where I work is not a safe neighborhood.😉

In the end, I just wouldn’t have been a good fit at the Bennies. I only stayed as long as I did because Father is a saint. As cool as that was (and he is at meetings only 1-2 times per year), I just couldn’t go along with the charismatic fainting stuff; I am awful at Lectio, and I just don’t give a rat’s bottom about studying other religions. The major attraction was their nearness to my home. That’s a pretty bad reason.

I really appreciate your (and everybody’s) (name removed by moderator)ut throughout this process. I was/am an OFS. I had to leave (along with others) to finally wake the fraternity up. A new wind of orthodoxy is blowing there, and throughout those areas of the OFS that needed it. I want to be part of that. 🙂
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Jason,

You may be right. In the past every time that I “knew” it was from the outside, as it were.
This time it truly was from the inside. I almost didn’t go to Mass this morning. I was shot, having worked a ridiculous stretch of hours. In the end it was my wife that insisted that I go. She said that she has always said “Franciscan”, from the beginning. The only reason she went along, as it were, with the Benedictines is because the meetings are in a safer neighborhood. I reminded her that where I work is not a safe neighborhood.😉

In the end, I just wouldn’t have been a good fit at the Bennies. I only stayed as long as I did because Father is a saint. As cool as that was (and he is at meetings only 1-2 times per year), I just couldn’t go along with the charismatic fainting stuff; I am awful at Lectio, and I just don’t give a rat’s bottom about studying other religions. The major attraction was their nearness to my home. That’s a pretty bad reason.

I really appreciate your (and everybody’s) (name removed by moderator)ut throughout this process. I was/am an OFS. I had to leave (along with others) to finally wake the fraternity up. A new wind of orthodoxy is blowing there, and throughout those areas of the OFS that needed it. I want to be part of that. 🙂
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Good for you, Luigi! First, you were (and are) a Franciscan since you never officially left the Order. Second, your posts constantly reflected great despair over the fate of your Franciscan fraternity. You really cared for your Franciscan brethren. You never questioned your own spirituality, just the shenanigans of certain members. I do not recall one time where you questioned the rites, rituals, or spirituality of the Order. Thus, the turmoil was from without, not within. Welcome home!
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Good for you, Luigi! First, you were (and are) a Franciscan since you never officially left the Order. Second, your posts constantly reflected great despair over the fate of your Franciscan fraternity. You really cared for your Franciscan brethren. You never questioned your own spirituality, just the shenanigans of certain members. I do not recall one time where you questioned the rites, rituals, or spirituality of the Order. Thus, the turmoil was from without, not within. Welcome home!
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Dave,

This is a truly beautiful post. It moved me to tears. Grazie, fratello!:cool:
 
My wife and I will earn the Portiuncula Indulgence tonight. Its also our 27th anniversary, so we have much to celebrate!

I attended my first ROFTERS meeting at the Opus Dei Study Center last night. The featured speaker was a former Solicitor General of Louisiana, now with the Beckett Fund. He just filed a lawsuit against HHS in the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC, as counsel for Wheaton Collge hours before the lecture. The Study Center Director recommended that I attend the cooperators workshop at the Opus Dei national headquarters in November, a month before my retreat at Longlea. At God’s pace, I am slowly walking the path laid out by St. Josemaria Escriva. I’ve also become an annual donor to the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross Foundation as the newest member of the Santa Croce Society. I’m anxious to visit the University in Rome within the next few years.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
My wife and I will earn the Portiuncula Indulgence tonight. Its also our 27th anniversary, so we have much to celebrate!

I attended my first ROFTERS meeting at the Opus Dei Study Center last night. The featured speaker was a former Solicitor General of Louisiana, now with the Beckett Fund. He just filed a lawsuit against HHS in the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC, as counsel for Wheaton Collge hours before the lecture. The Study Center Director recommended that I attend the cooperators workshop at the Opus Dei national headquarters in November, a month before my retreat at Longlea. At God’s pace, I am slowly walking the path laid out by St. Josemaria Escriva. I’ve also become an annual donor to the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross Foundation as the newest member of the Santa Croce Society. I’m anxious to visit the University in Rome within the next few years.
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Sounds absolutely fantastic, Dave. Again, happy anniversary to you both!
 
Wonder if I should start a Third Order Franciscan (OFS) thread? Thoughts?
Would you guys visit?🙂
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Wonder if I should start a Third Order Franciscan (OFS) thread? Thoughts?
Would you guys visit?🙂
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I believe there are several going already. A few had a good deal of information in them and may be worth checking out.

Peace,
 
Mylo,

I read the thread you cited. It has some great posts, so I added one myself. Couldn’t help putting in my two cents worth for Opus Dei, though my point was to encourage third orders to become more active. I absolutely loved the Discalced Carmelites, but one monthly meeting was not enough. Of course, since my oldest daughter just finished grad school and the youngest is a college senior, I have more time to devote to my spiritual studies and practices than others. I note too that secular third orders appear to have an older population, versus Opus Dei, which may affect fraternity activity.
 
If you guys could have a look at the OFS thread in SPIRITUALITY, I would greatly appreciate it.
 
Well, it is even worse than I thought. They are indeed down to 2.5 members (one fellow has not been there since March :() No new vocations, as I said, in years. Parish pretty menefregista (Italian word–don’t give a darn is a pale English comparison). Special Masses for the OFS not allowed,for example. Not even for Professions 😦

So this door has been slammed shut for me. Thy Will be done. It relieves me of the sense of obligation that I felt not so much to the OFS in general, but to my old fraternity in particular.
Formally withdrawn. The fellow I spoke with is going to try and move to a fraternity that is another hour away from me (but actually closer to him).

So it is the Bennies, after all. Thy Will be done. To be clear, this is not a step down for me or anything. It’s a step sideways. I love them, too. Father is a saint, I am firmly convinced. The only “obstacles” that remain are the charismatic stuff (again, not a huge problem, really—a minor part of meetings) and Contemplatio. I will work on it. God wants me to have a challenge, apparently 😃 Please pray for vocations to the monastery.

Dear Lord Jesus, please bless the people here who have helped me so much in my journey to be closer to you. Please bless the members of the OFS fraternity, that they may find their path, too. And bless my Oblate community and the good brothers at the monastery. Bless them with many vocations, to the OSB and to the OblOSB. Amen.
 
Anyone have a “how to” on Lectio that really incorporates all 4 steps at once (I have heard it can be done that way, rather than Lectio, then Meditatio, then Oratio, then Contemplatio)?
 
Don’t know of a “how to” guide like that. I can’t really imagine how you can combine the various steps, or frankly, why you would want to. One of my monks referred to lectio as “wasting time with God.” (Wasting in the sense of spending, not in the sense of doing something useless.) If you’re hanging out with a friend, then why not just hang out instead of worrying about what the two of you are accomplishing or how long it’s taking?
 
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