Best and worst hymns?

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This week was sort of a challenge. Most of the songs that mention Satan aren’t appropriate for Mass.
Yes, this week was a challenge for music. I thought I was the only one! I was also speaking to one of our priests in residence and we talked about this as well. What the ORDO stated was so different than what I read. ORDO (if you don’t have one): “With the Lord there is mercy and redemption (OK, easy there…it was the Psalm response!) for the reign of sin has come to an end in the person of Jesus. Hence, we must never lose heart for we believe we shall be raised up with him.” Nothing about his followers as family.

Also, usually, the Gospel Acclamation verse uses words within the Gospel itself, but not this time. During the Homily, each priest of the 3 Masses I’m at, all took a different avenue.

Basically, what I got out of the Gospel and from part of the Homilies is that Jesus calls only his followers his true “family,” and only they will be raised up with him.
 
Okay, Ron, I will close with one last question, because I think we can each argue for quite a while without persuading the other:

Why do you consider the drumset to be a contribution to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but not a “twangy” guitar? If you can explain why one is okay, but not the other, I would appreciate it.
LLD (wish I had a first name1): First, let’s start off by stating how I feel about your quote. 1) You are taking our discussion as an argument; I am not. 2) You say “persuading each other.” I am not persuading you to do anything, I am just reacting on what you state. I do not care how you think Mass should look and sound like, and you should not care about my position of the same: Different roads leading to the Glory of God and that’s what it’s all about!

Drum Set: I never said that it was a “contribution” to the Mass as if it were a necessity as I feel you are implying. I did say that I do feel that it is OK, but you insist on stating always that it makes the Mass a rock concert or such. I repeat, my drummers are very respectful and reverent and their playing is light and add to the overall instrumentation blend. No one is complaining from the pews, only you who I would think are thousands of miles away.

In the same way, I don’t recall ever stating that the drumset is OK and not the guitar. Just replace the word “guitar(ists)” to the statement above and reread.

However, your colorful adjectives to prove your dislike while disrespecting others is not fair game. My guitarists do not play a “twangy” guitar, just as much as my pianist and organist do not play all the wrong notes, or are overpowering. And, please, let’s drop the “rock concert” verbiage. We are not that! I control it not to be. If you think it is, then you don’t trust and disrespect my call to ministry. I have said this before, after 36 years in this “part-time” position, if I were what you think along with my choice of instruments and the control of same, I would have been long gone by the pastor or the people!

With that said, you have to really know my position and that I do not respectfully agree with you and you with me, but that’s OK. I have come to realize that after your first response to me, now it’s your turn if you truly believe that love overcomes hate every time.
 
Also, usually, the Gospel Acclamation verse uses words within the Gospel itself, but not this time. During the Homily, each priest of the 3 Masses I’m at, all took a different avenue.
The Acclamation was almost like two acclamation pasted together. For music, I went Marian, as she is mentioned in two of the readings (sort of) and Saturday was a feast for her. It worked out because the priest (we only have the one) spent half the time in explaining the brothers and sisters of the Lord in relationship to the ever virgin Mary.
 
Hi Ron,

Sorry if my question was unclear or confusing. I was actually just digging a little deeper into something you said in post #233:

“The song I had you listen to a week ago is beautiful per the you tube version, but the “twangy” guitar (as you say) is something I would not allow. The drum set, perhaps a bit too much on the recording for you, is subdued per my instructions at our Masses.”

So from that sentence in your comment, I interpreted that you do have a drumset at Mass, and you might have guitars in your Mass, but the “country-style” guitar (since you don’t seem to care for the word “twangy”, but I was actually referencing the youtube video) would be “something you would not allow”.

So I am merely seeking clarification, if drumset is allowed, why not a guitar played in that country style? I am just wondering what criteria you do use for which instruments are okay, or not okay. Or which particular pop styles are okay, or not okay.
 
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Holy God We Praise Thy Name was our recessional hymn at Mass yesterday. It was a great Sunday for singing.
 
but the “country-style” guitar (since you don’t seem to care for the word “twangy”
Really? What of “However, your colorful adjectives to prove your dislike while disrespecting others is not fair game,” did you not get? It’s a guitar; simple, a guitar, not twangy or country style. I have no reason not to discuss my position (and I’m sure other musicians of the Novus Ordo Mass are asking why do I bother) with you, but you must please stop, what I and others feel as disrespectful to me for allowing and those who play the “wrong” instruments at Mass.

The song you are now referring to does not have a guitar in it as I hear it. The instrument is more like an electronic keyboard synthesizing that sound or a country harp. I use neither.
I have piano, organ, flute, guitar and drums and all or some of the 3 Masses. I shared the song for the beauty of it to share. Just because you hear it, not for it’s proper liturgical use, but only for the “wrong” instrument use, is, well, rather sad.

So, the drumset is allowed as well as the guitar, piano, organ, flute at the Masses I direct. And, once again, everyone is managed to blend and not overpower the choir or congregation.

Criteria: There are some instruments that I feel will not work in our ensembles. And, I will not mention which ones in order not to offend others that use them. As far as the newer contemporary, modern music, (not “pop” - another use of your colorfulness), I listen to the melody and the words to make sure that they support biblical Catholic theology. Besides the instruments used in the piece that you are referencing, it is supportive of Ascension. I also think about the congregation and how easy any new song will taken up by them. If my choral groups have a hard time with timing, leaning the new melody, or whatever, I give it a few tries for a couple weeks, otherwise it is canned. I believe that my choral groups are a good indicator as to how the people will accept and be able to sing a new song.

I hope this clears up your questions. I don’t think I can be any clearer. Peace.
 
The Acclamation was almost like two acclamation pasted together. For music, I went Marian, as she is mentioned in two of the readings (sort of) and Saturday was a feast for her. It worked out because the priest (we only have the one) spent half the time in explaining the brothers and sisters of the Lord in relationship to the ever virgin Mary.
Yes, OT 10 was a difficult GA verse. I prefer to use the prescribed Lectionary verse. Because I use a metrical Psalm and not the chants found in a missal and it’s accompanying GA verse, I have found that the Celtic Mass Alleluia verse notation almost always fits about 95% of them exactly. At times, I have to leave out, “says the Lord,” but the rest fits perfectly. For OT 10, I left out the first word, “Now,” “says the Lord,” and “from the earth.” Go back and reread it leaving out those words. The main theme of it stays intact. OT 11 fits perfectly. If you know the Celtic verse notation, give it a try. John Baptist will work too. Some are one syllable per note, while some are one syllable per 3 eigths. I write them for all Sundays and HDs. I know you know the notation to the Celtic Alleluia verse, so give it a try and you’ll see what I mean. Let me know. ’

I have to be careful, for we have many visiting priests, and some refer to the Psalm of the Day (vs. a common Psalm) and the GA verse.
 
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Thank you for answering – that does make it more clear to me! I wish you well!
 
Last Sunday was horrible. The recessional hymn was “Go make a difference” by Steve Angrisano. Too ditty. Blech. (here is the video:
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Though the best ones I like are (english songs tho):
“I will sing forever” (Bukas Palad -
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“Come, Holy Ghost, creator blest”
“Table of plenty”
 
I have to be careful, for we have many visiting priests, and some refer to the Psalm of the Day (vs. a common Psalm) and the GA verse.
I don’t have that problem, thank goodness. I usually will just write my own music for the Psalm. It seems easier and simpler for me. I don’t want to use the Celtic though, as that is kind of our thing for Easter and Christmas. That said, two of the Easter Vigil GA’s are rather wordy:

Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good,
for his mercy endures forever.
Let the house of Israel say,
“His mercy endures forever.”

and

The right hand of the LORD has struck with power;
the right hand of the LORD is exalted.
I shall not die, but live,
and declare the works of the LORD.
 
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I don’t have that problem, thank goodness.
That is surprising to me and I not finding fault; it is what it is. I used to use a common Psalm or whatever we knew at the time many years ago. In the past 15 years or so, our pastor starting using visiting priests from the Seminary and retirees, friends of his, mainly because of some health issues. That’s when the question of the Psalm of the day was brought up. I remember one embarrassing homily when a priest wanted to include the P of the D, and said, “even though you sang…, the Psalm prescribed for today is…,” and proceeded to talk about it and it’s connection to the Gospel. After that, I bought all the metrical volumes that OCP and GIA had. Although the refrain was paraphrased to a point, I would rewrite them to be exact to the Psalm response as best as possible. That’s why I like the “Lyric Psalter” by MH and Alonso that came out in 2013, in response to RM3. Perfect. I still use the popular 80s Psalm from OCP and GIA written by the dynamic duo for Christmas and Easter: “All the Ends of the Earth” and “Let Us Rejoice” (2 of the 3 verses you posted). Even though the new “Lyric Psalter” includes them and the refrain is practically the same, the verses can be a bit different.

Do you actually write your own Psalms every week to the Psalm prescribed for the day? Metrical or chant? That’s a lot of work. May I suggest that you check out the “Lyric Psalter” to make your life easier, if you like the metrical? I love it and rather easy (some verses are wordy also, but you can reduce two words on two 16ths to one word one on one 8th at times. It’s in 4 volumes: A,B,C, and Solemnities.

The verses (2 of the 3) you cited are from the vigil as the Psalm / GA before the Gospel Reading if I remember correctly, with an “Alleluia” refrain. It’s the same verses for Easter Sunday, but the response is “This is the day…” Are we on the same page?

I use the Celtic at all times because I can write the verse so easily to it. Tried others, but no go.
Love sharing this info with you. Now, no one can say that we did not sing the correct Psalm or GA verse of the day!
 
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Do you actually write your own Psalms every week to the Psalm prescribed for the day
When I say I don’t have that problem, what I mean is we only have one priest and seldom anyone visits. But I use the Psalm of the day anyway, writing my own music. Sometimes I will use the missalette, or use it as a start. But I write my own as to make them easy to sing, and easy for someone to copy after hearing it once.

I used to have most all of them for guitar, but two years ago I switched to piano and so I am back writing the most of the time. I sometimes get a repeat. What I do is play a few chords, say the words, try some different combinations until I start to tease out an easy melody. This also has the advantage of being memorable for me, as it is always, by nature of the process, a melody that sounds “right” to me.
 
Last Sunday was horrible. The recessional hymn was “Go make a difference” by Steve Angrisano. Too ditty. Blech. (here is the video
Well, obviously that was not the video and music group that sang it at your church. That song has been brought up so much in this and another thread. I like this song and do use it as a Closing Song and the people do like it; however, if I did it the way it is portrayed on that youtube version, I would be told never to do it again; “blech” is right! Trust me, we sing and play it so much different without the (LLD would like this), rock, pop style.
 
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d think that taking out the inappropriate or unsingable songs being decried in this thread and replacing them with chant might result in a very beautiful Mass, particularly if the Mass is usually sung a cappella. Maybe the single trained singer could bring the regulars around to doing this?
I was thinking about this and the only person I can think of who could have pulled that off was the former Moravian minister. She had a lovely voice and knew Gregorian chant. She trained the young girl who played the title role in our production of “Agnes of God”. We’re a small town and if there are trained singers here I’ve yet to meet them.
 
But I use the Psalm of the day anyway, writing my own music.
I applaud you for that. Sounds as if you play either guitar or piano and sing the Mass as well.
Yes, some Psalms are repeats throughout the year. Take a look at August around Assumption: It’s Year B, time to sing “Taste and See” 3 weekends in a row with slight additions and minor differences in the verses. That should give you a little break.
I can relate to the “sounds right to me.” When writing the GA verse to the Celtic, you have to work within the 6/8 rhythm and make it interesting and easy to sing the phrasing.
 
I applaud you for that. Sounds as if you play either guitar or piano and sing the Mass as well.
Yes, for almost twenty years so far, as a Catholic. I had a few years leading the singing as a Baptist back in my younger years.

Since 2005, I have gleaned a lot of info from this forum, especially useful for someone that knew practically zilch about Catholic liturgy in 2000.
 
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