Best way to combat racism?

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Not sure if this is the best place for this thread, but I’ll start it here.

In another section of the CAF, there is a thread about a walk-out in a school that started because of a speech about racism.

I am white (German-Irish American). In fact, I am very white–blonde, blue-eyed, fair skinned.

My mom was raised in the rural South, and spent her childhood living among blacks, picking cotton, wading creeks, eating, playing. Her father was a ne’er do well wife beater, and once late at night, he received a visit from the local Ku Klux Klan, who told him to stop beating his wife and children. My mother remembered their white hoods and torches, and how scared her father was.

She didn’t know the meaning of the word prejudice. To her, black people were just people with black skins, no different than her.

My dad was raised in the rural Midwest. His parents were German farmers, German Reformed, and they taught him that all men were created equal.

My parents raised me and my brother to believe that people are people. They used the “n” word because everyone did back then. My father was the first man in our city to rent an east-side apartment to a black family. He got death threats.

That’s my background.

I think that we’ve come a long way in the U.S. since the days of Jim Crow, lynchings, and “boy” and “gal.”

I know there is still racism out there, just like there’s still anti-Semitism out there. Even the horrific crimes of the Holocaust didn’t stop that.

So what’s the best way to eliminate racism?
  1. Be colorblind. That’s my personal belief. I think we should stop any characterization of people as “black” "white,"etc. Of course we’re going to notice a person’s skin color, just like we notice if they’re fat, thin, bald, blonde, or whatever. But it doesn’t factor into our evaluation of the person as a “good” person or as a “person to be avoided in the future.”
  2. Be color proud. That seems to be the belief of a lot of people. We talk about our “blackness” and what it means to “black.” I don’t get this at all. I think it contributes to racism.
  3. Be proud of our national heritage. Now I can see a little of this. I’m proud of certain aspects of my German and Irish ancestors. I don’t go to Oktoberfest, but I probably should. I put up St. Patrick’s Day decorations. But on the other hand, isn’t too much of this racist?
  4. Celebrate diversity. Well, biologically, the only way to maintain diversity is to maintain separateness. IOW, no interracial marriage/breeding. I certainly don’t agree with that. To me, that’s blatant racism. So should we eliminate all these school and workplace ventures that emphasize “diversity,” knowing that it’s a code word for “separateness,” which is really Racism?
  5. Celebrate unity. I tend to go along with this. I think that the best thing that could happen would be for all the races to marry and interbreed, and then we would have one homogenous “race.” Is that racist on my part?
  6. There are times I feel–and please forgive me–that there are some people who really don’t want “equality” or “the end of racism.” What they seem to really want is unlimited money given to them for no work, free health care, free housing, free food, free college, exemption from illegal drug laws, exemption from the requirement to attend school, and for everyone else in the world to be their slaves. Again, please forgive me, but a lot of the letters and columns in our local paper seem to be cries for utter license to do what they please at others’ expense. They really don’t have any ideas for “laws” or “ordinances”, just vague complaints about “racism” and demands for extreme retribution from those who oppress them. Why do I get this feeling? Am I incorrect? Am I racist for not seeing what they are really asking? What ARE they really asking?
Anyway, I’m so confused, I don’t know what to think any more. I think that perhaps if “eliminating racism” could be defined, we might actually make some headway. But everyone seems to have a different idea of what “eliminating racism” means.

What DOES it mean?
 
  1. Celebrate unity. I tend to go along with this. I think that the best thing that could happen would be for all the races to marry and interbreed, and then we would have one homogenous “race.” Is that racist on my part?
I agree. but a lot of people seem to be against this idea… so children of such unions suffer… :mad:
  1. There are times I feel–and please forgive me–that there are some people who really don’t want “equality” or “the end of racism.” What they seem to really want is unlimited money given to them for no work, free health care, free housing, free food, free college, exemption from illegal drug laws, exemption from the requirement to attend school, and for everyone else in the world to be their slaves.
I don’t think u are wrong to think this way. I have thought something similar. I feel i am totally color-blind. yet a lot of blacks i have befriended seem to, well, sometimes i wonder if they believe i really am color -blind. I think they have been discriminated against 4 so long, they can’t believe anyone really would be 100% color blind… can’t blame them. Actually, (and now i have 2 confess something), i sometimes feel i like black people BETTER than whites… I am not sure why… maybe it is their culture… Maybe i can relate to their being discriminated against (i am a Catholic :rolleyes: … I am female, not wealthy, etc.).
I think the reason people continue 2b racist is because slavery existed in the 1st place. Think about it; If blacks had come to this country on their own, instead of as some kind of “beasts of burden” 2b used by money-hungry plantation owners, they would have been seen merely as foreigners like the Germans, Irish, etc… Slavery institutionalized the belief that they were somehow inferior… They had to be inferior in order to enslave them… to justify slavery…
Anyway, are u Catholic??
The reason i ask; it seems Catholics are FAR less racist than non-Catholics… (my experience)
 
Her father was a ne’er do well wife beater, and once late at night, he received a visit from the local Ku Klux Klan, who told him to stop beating his wife and children. My mother remembered their white hoods and torches, and how scared her father was.
Wow! I never thought I’d hear something positive about the klan. Maybe its a good thing your mom’s family wasn’t Catholic.

As for the rest of your post, I don’t know how to eliminate racism in anyone’s life. I can only pray it doesn’t creep into my own life.

Racism amongst individuals will always exist, but when it is the law of the land, when the government condones it, its pretty much in the same boat as abortion.
 
Cultural beliefs and practices that become politically incorrect die slow lingering deaths. My grandmother, a tough-minded, shrewd businesswoman, who was born about 1880, told me in the early 1950’s after she retired that the stupidest thing the government ever did was to give the vote to women! I was about 12 years old. I asked her why and she said there were plenty of men around to run the country.

Where I grew up racism was palpable. And it was ugly. People believed miscegenation was not just illegal, it was immoral. Over time the old folks died off, the old laws were overruled or repealed and now, slowly but surely, mixed marriages between races are commonplace.

De jure school segregation that I grew up with has disappeared in the United States. The generations that fought integration are dying off.

I won’t load this post with a hundred other details of improvement in race relations.

The way to combat racism is to treat everyone else as you would like to be treated, watch for incremental improvement, and wait for bigots to die. The bigots will never change their minds because they are convinced to a certainty they are correct. Unfortunately, It will take a long time.
 
Well not letting a person’s race negatively color one’s perception of them, I think, is a good thing (it would be at the least rash judgment to do otherwise) and that seems to be the gist of what you are saying above and to the extent that it is I agree with you. Some people say “races” do not exist, but the magisterium uses the terminology of “race”

“There are in the world cultures and** races** which are not** respected**”
JP II
www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1985/august/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19850819_giovani-stadio-casablanca_en.html

What I get from JP2’s words above is that race is something to be respected, not ignored. This is perhaps more clear in other quotes below.

Leo XIII:

"9. Now although this doctrine is applicable to all nations, most specially does it affect the Portuguese, among whom the influence of the Catholic religion in training the character and disposition of men, in fostering the studies of science, letters, and arts, in kindling the soul to every civic and military virtue, has been so great, even so that she seems as it were the mother and nurse given from on High to bring forth and train whatever gentleness, dignity, and glory shone out in that race. . .

“Thus will it be your high praise and just congratulation that in your labors you were able to deserve most nobly of the religion which you uphold so well, and of your country and your race, for whom you, no less than Ourselves, greatly desire an unbroken tranquillity and a lease of perfect prosperity

www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13relun.htm

But just how significant is race? I agree with what Catholic philosopher and apologist Dr Peter Kreeft has to say about it:

Peter Kreeft said:
In everything she does her essence plays a part, and her sex is as much a part of her essence as her age, her race, and her sense of humor.
Peter Kreeft:
As we have seen, sexuality, like race and unlike clothes, is an essential aspect of our identity, spiritual as well as physical.
(emphases are all mine)
www.peterkreeft.com/topics/sex-in-heaven.htm
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I’m not sure what you mean by “color proud” – do you mean being proud of one’s skin color? There’s nothing wrong with thanking God for all his gifts, including one’s physical constitution and appearance. “National heritage” and “racial heritage” to me mean the same thing. See the above quotations from Leo XIII.
The magisterium seems to acknowledge the value of racial diversity:

“the Council draws attention to other principles of the greatest importance: the Church desires to respect and foster in a special way "the spiritual adornments and gifts of the various races and peoples.”
JP2
www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1980/august/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19800829_vescovi-india_en.html

“But God has also blessed you with a rich variety of races and peoples who are striving together to build a unified and harmonious society.”
JP2
www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1990/may/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19900513_governo-willemstad_en.html

“God is not solitude, but perfect communion. From God being communion derives the vocation of all humanity to form the one great family in which the various races and cultures meet one another and are reciprocally enriched (cf. Acts 17: 26).”
JP2
www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/angelus/2003/documents/hf_jp-ii_ang_20030615_en.html
I wouldn’t say it was racist but it seems to contradict a lot of the thoughts and sentiments quoted from Popes above. Unity is not opposed to diversity. Homogenity is not a synonym for unity.
What DOES it mean?
I think first we need to define what “racism” means. Here’s what the Seattle Catholic which cites the Dictionary of Moral Theology by Msgr. Pietro Palazzini, says:
A Catholic Definition
A precise definition of racism is important, since it is a word that is even more misunderstood than egalitarianism. According to the Dictionary of Moral Theology:
Racism is a doctrine which asserts that race is the essential and initial factor in man’s refinement and in the historical and cultural evolution of all peoples.1
What is condemned by traditional theologians is not the recognition of “psychic and morphological differences between races” but the idea that posits something other than Jesus Christ and His Church as the basis of human culture.
www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20031201.html

What I get out of the article is that racism replaces the primacy of God with the primacy of race.
 
mark a, does the law of the U.S. condone racism? If so, how? t
I’m no expert, but I think laws that promoted/allowed racial discrimination/inequality are now dividing us along class lines.
 
Stop supporting the “PC” cr*p that promotes it!

I’m totally FED UP with the “African American”, the “Mexican American”, or the “Somalia American”, “Hmong American”, …

Why is it that if you are not of European descent (read that white), a description of you must include your lineage? However diluted?

I’m German/French/Prussian/Austrian/Polish/Hungarian… yet I don’t DEMAND special recognition of my heritage. I’m American. I was born in the US, I’m an American.

(BTW - the only “true” Americans were the bands/tribes of nomadics that were on “our” land before we got here to take it from them!)
 
I combat it in my own way.

I was raised in Alabama, oh and did I mention I am a Black Catholic as well?

I have a multicultural view of things and I have had encounters w/ people, mostly white, that were perplexed by my overall demeanor b/c I don’t fit the stereotype of a typical black male. I just show people that we are not all the same. I celebrate diversity and judge people on their character, not by their color because I’ve been in positions where I have been judged by the later and hate that.

When I feel combative I will just refute white nationalists comments. 😉
 
Just be proud of your nationality! Be proud of who you are and ignore those who are racist, because they are foolish bullys.Also, remember that God will punish them, because we are one big family of God regardless of nationality, and He decided what country we would live in(Acts 17:26), and people who are racist are breaking the Great Commandment.
 
I think that we’ve come a long way … since the days of Jim Crow, lynchings
I used to think that. Then i read books like biogs on Clarence Thomas, Thurgood Marshall…). Have you read them? A real eye-opener to a White who… was brainwashed to think a lot of things…
I know there is still racism… Even the horrific crimes of the Holocaust didn’t stop that.
You say this as though the Holocaust and what happened to Blacks (and the Indians, etc) were two different things. They aren’t; they are both “Nazi-ism”, the idea that one race is better than another, one human being superior to another (and made that way by God Himself!! :eek: ). Sorry, but nazi-ism has not gone away…
Appreciate suggestions 4 ending racism and agree. Celebrating diversity “too much” … CAN be “racist”… or separatism…
  • There are times I feel … that there are some people who really don’t want “equality”… What they seem to really want is unlimited money given to them for no work, free health care, free housing, free food, free college,*
    I understand how you feel and even used to 1/2 feel the same way - not toward Blacks but toward “disadvantaged” people generally, welfare recipients in particular… Then i fell on hard times myself…:eek: (long story)
    I think there should be virtually no welfare or gov. assistance… but sometimes people don’t have family or Church to fall back on… (a whole other subject…🤷 .)…
    Also, i think Whites r 2 quick to judge Blacks here… They forget about slavery and the psychological impact it had (still has) on them… Do i think Blacks should just “give up”…? No… Clarence Thomas’ Grandfather, who raised him, didn’t… He became self-employed. But not everyone is the same… (etc, etc…). Some people respond to abuse differently… Some of the slaves were more harshly treated than others (etc, etc, etc…)… There are so many factors involved 2b considered… I think it is very important to keep an open mind and more importantly, an open heart. Blacks have been and still are going through hell because of what Whites have done and continue to do… Ok, so the lynchings have stopped… OK, so now the Blacks have rights. But think of this: They remember a time (or know of a time) when they did not have those rights and even when they were granted them, they were not automatically implemented and enforced… They had to fight on … and keep fighting. It is a sheer wonder there aren’t more angry Blacks… Clarence Thomas is a “miracale” to me… But anyway… I could go on and on but limited in time…
What ARE they really asking?
I’m not black but i feel most are asking for equality. Yet how much equality can there be after having slavery in this “democratic” country for SO long (+ its after-effects)? Technically, Affirmative Action is “discriminitory” but it is a necessary “evil”, put in place to balance something that once was very out of balance… It takes time for things to change…
gotta go…
Oh, that reminds me: The guy who wrote about C. Thomas… He says that C. Thomas benefitted from Affirmative Action. Well, yes and no. Mostly, he benefitted from having a hard-working, caring grandfather and from the help of the Catholic Church 🙂 . the Catholic Church helped Blacks when other White “christians” would NOT…
Again, i could go on and on, but have 2 go…
God bless you and thank you for your honesty & humility in acknowledging you are
"confused… don’t know what to think any more.
To you Blacks: Please have patience with us poor White people. Most (?) probably mean well but we are ignorant - sometimes abysmally so 😦 - as to what all it means to be black in the U.S…
I believe the aforementioned books should be required reading in high school and college… I got this valuable (troubling) information through my own curiosity/ reading… but it shouldn’t be that way… seems to me that some people still want to cover things up… 😦
 
Just be proud of your nationality! Be proud of who you are and ignore those who are racist, because they are foolish bullys.
Easy to say when its just a couple of racist hicks, but when there’s a direct threat it becomes a little harder to put into practice.
 
In my mind there is a very thin (non existent?) line between racism and nationalism. Both foster an us/them mentality and seem to focus on differences more than similarities.
 
I vote for 1-5. Each has its place at its own time. We should be colorblind in our relations toward one another; we should be able to be proud of our ancestry; we should all be free to love our country and to criticize her, or cheer her; celebrating diversity means respecting the other’s ancestry and the achievements of their ancestors, however, it should also mean being free to point out the flaws and correct in charity (not always easy). Finally, we should all be free, intellectually, morally, and emotionally, to love our fellow human beings, no matter their race or social circumstance.

See, I really don’t know if our Lord, in His incarnation, was white, black, or something else…and I sure don’t want to be harboring resentment of any of those characteristics when I come face to face with Him! http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
See, I really don’t know if our Lord, in His incarnation, was white, black, or something else…
Um, doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that he was a Jew? Looking at the average man from the Middle East today should give you a fairly reasonable idea…
 
I remember saying to a friend of mine in college, that maybe, in the future, we should genetically engineer all babies to carry an equal number of genes from every racial and ethnic group on the planet. That way, in 100 years or so, there wouldn’t be any more “blacks” or “whites” or “reds” or “browns” or “yellows”, everyone would just be “beige”.

“That would put an end to racism,” I said.

He considered for a moment, then said, “Well, that’s a good idea, Wols, but the problem there is that human nature being what it is, all the people who were born on Tuesdays will gang up on the people who were born on Thursdays.”

I had to admit that he was right.

I think we tend to focus too much on racism, without realizing that racism isn’t a disease in and of itself—it’s a symptom. If you have a fever, the problem isn’t the fever; the fever is just an indication that you have some sort of underlying infection that’s giving rise to the fever. And if you espouse racism, the racism is just an indication that you suffer from a fallen, sinful nature that has not yet been entirely surrendered to the will of Christ.
 
My grandmother, a tough-minded, shrewd businesswoman, who was born about 1880, told me in the early 1950’s after she retired that the stupidest thing the government ever did was to give the vote to women! I was about 12 years old. I asked her why and she said there were plenty of men around to run the country.
Actually, I believe giving women votes to women is stupid. But of course, as an unconstitutional monarchist, I think giving anyone the vote is stupid. 😃

Scott
 
I am racially mixed but I don’t look like it to most people (though a few have guessed).
Slavery was made possible by government policies. Slavery resulted in a horrific war. It also left a scar of racial resentment across America.
The wars on the Native Americans were made possible by government policies. They soaked our country’s very foundations in blood.
Southern segregation was made possible by government policies. It artificially prolonged the damage slavery caused.
We’ve seen what government policies can do for race relations in America.
As individuals, we should act from love and decency. If you are in love with a woman and she loves you, perhaps you should be married. Don’t think about race. If you want to talk to someone of your background about something too hard to explain to anyone else, go ahead. It’s nobody’s business. If you see someone in need, help her if you reasonably can. It’s the right thing to do. If you have a good or service to exchange, go ahead. look for a good deal. Leave origins out of it. If your husband wants to be called a German-American, do so, if he won’t agree to anything shorter. If he wants to be called an American, he’s an American then (unless he’s not American). If you have a business and want to hire the best managing staff you can, hire the best managing staff you can. It’s in your interest to be colorblind. If you are poor, seek help while trying to better your situation. Poverty is an income level, not a melanin level. It happens at every skin shade.
If you are new in America and have trouble with your English, take advantage of the teeming offers to teach you English free or very cheaply. It will improve your opportunities.
Be free, be sane and love people. How’s that sound?😃
 
This will seem terrible to some, but I think the very first step is to admit to ourselves that we all have prejudices, no matter how much we want to think we don’t. We discriminate mentally in a thousand ways. This person is black and certain expectations pop into my mind. This person is handicapped, and certain other expectations pop into my mind. This person has a southern accent, so yet different expectations pop into my mind. The question is not whether we have some kind of visceral reaction to this person or that one. We might be hard wired to do that, and it’s not morally wrong in itself. The question is what do we do about it? How do we treat the person who is “not like me”? It has sometimes seemed to me that we aren’t likely to be truly charitable toward another until we recognize whatever barriers we have to being so. We can’t overcome barriers in the self that we don’t admit we have.

I have observed, countless times, people who would swear on a stack of bibles that they’re “not prejudiced” and mean it, yet act in a manner that screams “bias” from the rooftops. I mean no one in here any offense, but it always makes me dubious when I hear someone announce that he or she is “not prejudiced”. I don’t have to be a member of the KKK to be prejudiced. If I get nervous when I see a group of Hispanic teenage boys coming toward me on a street, that’s three prejudices right there. Hispanic, teenage and boys. Change it to Hispanic teenage girls and my reaction is different, right? Change it to white preteen girls and my prejudice is different still.

And not all forms of “discrimination” are totally artificial constructs. If, say, I get beaten up and robbed by carnival gypsies, (came uncomfortably close once) I am likely to be wary of gypsies in the future, and perhaps I ought to be. But on the other hand, I ought not to treat gypsies badly, and should give a gypsy every chance I would give to a mostly Irish southerner like myself. It works both ways. I should not favor Irishmen with southern accents over others in ways that affect them, even though I might feel more “at home” when I hear their accent. And my natural tendency to favor them over others is something I ought to work on.

It’s what we do that counts, not how we feel or even how we think. The golden rule is “DO unto others as you would have them DO unto you”.
 
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