Beware of Bible studies!

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Try www.amm.org/chss.htm that’s the Vincentian Catholic home study website. My daughter used Fr. Lukefahr’s book “we believe” as the basis of an informal study group at her home. There are several other topics including the bible. At the time I discovered this website they were giving the guidebooks away. Fr. Lukefahr’s book was great - it had biblical refernces to all the points of our faith.
 
Every year we have some bible studies here with protestant churches and they are great. They are not to convert just to learn about each other and the subject.

Emmy
 
It is very frustrating to go to all the work of finding good reliable Catholic bible study materials, training leaders, scheduling, promoting, advertising, polling parishioners to find out what they want, then they don’t even attend our bible studies, but go to neighboring protestant churches, and bring the materials back to me. I point out the errors, invite them to study the same book of the bible in our parish class, they sign up but never attend the class.
 
I think this caution should be directed at non-scholarly study only. In fact, I often think that the best apologetics for those of us in the fold of historical Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox) is to study the methods of historical-critical biblical studies. Nothing will stop a verse-slingling Bible thumper better than overwhelming them with technical linguistic discussion. And those Protestants who have formal academic education in biblical studies find denominational prejudice as quaint if not backwater.

And we Catholics (and Orthodox) have infinitely less to fear from historical-critical biblical studies, since we are the part of Christendom whence the scriptures came; unlike the rest of the Christian churches which were each individually formed out of this or that interpretational whim.
 
It’s a shame the Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture is out of print. It is completely orthodox and the scholars who contributed to it were some of the titans of 20th-century Catholic biblical studies (Oxford Domincan and Jesuit scholars).
 
Thanks Father (CestusDei), that is a much better way of saying it. I do make sure and tell them that the Church is not opposed to reading and studying the Bible. I wouldn’t have converted if that was the case. 🙂 In fact I always tell them that the best comfort I have in knowing that I chose the true Church was from reading scripture. Once again, thanks for your time Father.
 
I have a concern about a group known as LOVE HOLY TRINITY that seems to be popping up in several CATHOLIC churches across IOWA AND ILLINOIS. My brother-in-laws are very involved, almost obsessed with this group. My husband and I are concerned, as what we have found out from the archdiosese of CHICAGO that this group is not sanctioned by the CATHOLIC church. Who are they? THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY, Susan
 
Francisca “Where is the good news?”–I love that. Also, on EWTN (forget whether it was Father Mary Francis, or maybe Mitch Pacwa, or a guest)–the urging was to “follow the peace”–that inner peace which passes understanding. Not talking about suffering, which is part of the Christian walk–but you know what I mean–that deep peace–if that starts to go, it may be a red flag.

My months since becoming a Catholic in Oct. 2003 have been such a roller-coaster. I wasn’t prepared for the terrible divisions within the Church itself. I have a very good catechesis, stemming from a mainline Presbyterian background in the 1950s and 60s, back before they fell into such serious errors as today. They were creedal and sacramental–although now I understand why I was always so confused about salvation–Lutherans and Presbyterians are so very different in their theology–but we didn’t realize that–fallout from the Reformation. I just thought it was my own faith problem.

So I think I can handle ecumenical studies–but I’d caution anyone new to Scripture studies–don’t do it! Father’s so right–so many of these evangelical churches have such a blind spot to Catholicism and will really try to convert you away from the Faith. They’re good at it, too. Avoid them like the plague. I study Beth Moore on my own–miss the fellowship, but it’s not worth taking anti-Catholic hits (many of them without malice–but that is how they believe).

Being loyal to the Pope, and Vatican II definitely is the way to go. And I’ve been all over the map since my conversion–except for liberal/dissenter–finding that the Church is full of this really made me sick. I’ve been confused, and depressed, and lost the peace. For awhile the only thing that kept me Catholic was the Eucharist. This is a huge deal. Never, never give up the Eucharist–not for warm fellowship, not for anything.

I still am avoiding Catholic Bible studies because the only encounter I had with the Bible in RCIA–horror of horrors, I faced the same modernist **** that I encountered and fled from in my Presbyterian church–you know “Jesus didn’t really say this,” “you can’t take the stories in Acts too literally”, the feeding the 5000 was a lesson in sharing–that was the “miracle”. Thank *God for Scott Hahn–in his Scripture Matters, he talks about the historical background to this thinking–German Marxism, basically. Sad to say, the notes in my NAB Bible really lean to this alot. It depresses me so much–this is why people are leaving for evangelical churches–at least they don’t intellectualize away true faith and say that really smart people use their brains and form their own consciences. As though having faith means becoming mindless.

It is hard to figure out Scripture. Even with the Holy Spirit as a guide.

I found all this out by really hard experience. Can’t say I’m done with my struggles. But I’ll never give up my Eucharistic Lord–please God help me.
 
Hi, Old Road–I’m afraid I have to really disagree (re #26). Because of my own experiences, I feel that to those who are not familiar with history–the historical-critical method is one of the greatest threats to our faith out there. I’m not saying that I believe in mindless literalism about creation or science…but so many college age students in our RCIA were so steeped in being seen as smart & intellectual (I remember being that age so well!), that any hint of literalism sends them running in the opposite direction. This is how heresy works–it’s so close to the truth that it attracts people. Of course, literalism is its own heresy. But given the state of the Church in the last 30 years, I don’t think we have to fear too much literalism…at the moment, anyway.

However–I do tend to forget that Christ promised the gates of hell would never prevail…it’s just so hard to keep positive.

–Donna
 
NuCatholic–thanks for the reminder–it was the Word of God in Scripture, (through Baptist Bible studies, of all things!), that ultimately brought me to see the truth of the Eucharist, and then into the true Faith. God does work in mysterious ways…
–Donna
 
I have attended several bible studies…non Catholic, which means ANTI CATHOLIC! I have spoken of the Catholic Church and her teachings when it was appropriate and held my tongue when appropriate. The last non Catholic bible study I was in was interesting - the pastor was very uncomfortable with my lending out books that people were interested in (the study was at my home because the orginal people were moving) that dealt with Catholicism. There were four or more baptized Catholics in the group, that had “become Christian”.

The pastor, was of course, his own authority and as time went on, I could see the flip-flop in his own teachings. For instance - one could be saved, but then one might not have been saved and certainly, homosexuality was a sin that God could not forgive, blah, blah, blah…

I attend a Catholic Bible study from time to time and am so grateful that there are no flip-flops (only high heels! HA!) and no ambiguities.

God love us all …
 
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Lamb100:
I wasn’t prepared for the terrible divisions within the Church itself.
Can you give a few examples? Thanks!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
I just saw Emmaus publishers has a new bible study out in workbook form. It looks very good. When I know more about it I will post a review. But my initial impression is positive. So far I have seen John and one on Prophets and Apostles.
 
Cestus is right.

When I reconciled back with the CC last Feb, I remained with my bible study group at the evangelical church I used to attend. I thought it could work out, but it really didn’t. I held my tongue a few times when I heard the most outrageous things, and got into debates a few others, when I just couldn’t let a crazy comment by someone else stand. It was counterproductive and became useless for me because it was obvious that my comments were not welcome.

What bothers me most is that I am friends with these people, and I did enjoy the fellowship time, but it was obvious that I couldn’t be a part of it anymore because I wasn’t willing to hear comments like “well the commandments don’t really apply to us because we live under the covenant of grace”. Yep, that’s exactly what one woman said!

They are doing a study on Daniel this fall, but they won’t be seeing me or my wife there because there’s no way I’m going to listen to the crazy interpretations that are sure to come up with that book of prophecy.
 
Dan,

You are exactly right! Many Protestant Bible studies advertise that they are non-denominational and that they welcome all people–yet they do not state that they want to propogate their view of Scripture and ONLY their view of Scripture. I have witnessed many Catholics who have fallen under the spell of those types of studies. I also know of one major international BS group for men that has an unwritten rule that praticing Catholics cannot be leaders in their study groups (Catholics can attend, but they cannot lead).

Catholics beware: Study with Catholics using Catholic material!
 
My experience with ecumenical Bible studies has been the same as TPJCatholic - we’re non denominational but basically we are pushing the theology of whaterver denomination the Bible Study leader attends. For several years I was involved with Women’s Aglow International - a non-denominational charismatic women’s group and I would not recommend anyone attending unless they are extremely grounded in their faith (I have my B.A. in theology from a Catholic University). My purpose in attending was to present the Catholic position to the women in the study since several Catholics attended. Most of the Catholic women were poorly catechized and unfortunately to say when they approached their clergy with certain spiritual concerns were told that they were too fundamentalist. Unfortunately, several of them left to go to the Bible study leader’s church - it was small, everyone including the leadership was really friendly, and they enjoyed the contemporary worship music. This compared to their parish which was extremely large 3000+ families which made them feel somewhat anonymous and that it didn’t matter if they were there or not. Of the 9 Catholic women in the group only my best friend and myself remained Catholic. I think they depsair of our salvation to this day.
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I had a similar experience this past year in what I thought was a non-denominational study. Our own church did not have one, or so I thought. I was invited, I was ready to get more involved in reading the Bible and I really liked it. We did have good discussions and prayer, and all was fine until I recognized some Catholic bashing. It was sort of disguised and it picked apart something I knew to be true to what I had been taught. I can’t think of exact examples but it was there. I have decided not to start up again and find a Catholic one that is good. I will just keep looking because I want to stay Catholic and I always intended to stay Catholic. I think they may think I want to switch, but I don’t. Some of them are disenchanted Catholics. I really am not good at debating the same old Catholic/Protestant differences. I really don’t want to evangelize. I know that sounds bad, but it is not my forte. I am more than comfortable saying in a group that my faith in God has helped me through my life, or that I do pray all the time. I am just more comfortable with Catholics.
 
dan,

Not under the commandments? Ask her if it would be okay for her husband to have an affair then. Since the 6th commandment no longer applies. hee hee
 
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