Beware of the Occult

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Anyone who recommends the study of the occult for ANY reason, including to know what to look for in prevention, should be looked into seriously. This is a tactic of certain persons to create a “fall” of christians and they believe to gain a higher in placing in the “mantle” by doing this. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, Tim
 
Anyone who recommends the study of the occult for ANY reason, including to know what to look for in prevention, should be looked into seriously. This is a tactic of certain persons to create a “fall” of christians and they believe to gain a higher in placing in the “mantle” by doing this. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, Tim
I have seen some books at the library; but never felt compelled to pick it up. If it interests you; go for it! If you find a good book on the subject let us know!
 
However, if you are in a ministry to reach people in the occult then one should know what they are talking about. It has it’s place.
 
I have seen some books at the library; but never felt compelled to pick it up. If it interests you; go for it! If you find a good book on the subject let us know!
Ah, the practice of it is an “anti-sacrament”. Tim
 
However, if you are in a ministry to reach people in the occult then one should know what they are talking about. It has it’s place.
Indeed it does.

The best advice I’ve seen on aquiring knowledge of the occult, or heresies, or other such things, for a good and proper reason, has to do with people who deal with combatting counterfeiting.

If one is out to, say, combat the counterfeiting of money, one has to study what’s being produced by the counterfeiters. But the people who do so also study the real thing, and spend many times more hours studying the real thing (some say up to 10 times as long) than the bogus stuff.

So with the faith. If one is called to study the bogus for the purpose of engaging it, one is also called to intensely study the teachings of the faith.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Anyone who recommends the study of the occult for ANY reason, including to know what to look for in prevention, should be looked into seriously. This is a tactic of certain persons to create a “fall” of christians and they believe to gain a higher in placing in the “mantle” by doing this. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, Tim
Study in itself isn’t bad; knowing what is taught by another is a great help in ministering to them, since you understand their language and can relate to them in a better way as opposed to someone who is clueless about them.
 
In this I was refering to real satanist who have infiltrated the christian church. But my idea of what the occult is, is not limited to this statement.
The word “occult” is somewhat generic, in that most everything that isn’t claimed by any of the major religions is considered to be occult (and many things that are). Even religious scientists have difficulties in defining occultism. A broad definition is offered by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke: “OCCULTISM has its basis in a religious way of thinking, the roots of which stretch back into antiquity and which may be described as the Western esoteric tradition. Its principal ingredients have been identified as Gnosticism, the Hermetic treatises on alchemy and magic, Neo-Platonism, and the Cabbalah, all originating in the eastern Mediterranean area during the first few centuries AD.”[8]

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Occult–> “hidden”, “secret”, “esoteric”.
The Occult has to do with “hidden knowledge”, with “secret truths”, information supposedly available only to those “in the know”, and which allows to those who possess it, power over others or over the world around them.
 
Of what, specifically, and how so?
From the CCC
IN BRIEF

1131 The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us. The visible rites by which the sacraments are celebrated signify and make present the graces proper to each sacrament. They bear fruit in those who receive them with the required dispositions.

1132 The Church celebrates the sacraments as a priestly community structured by the baptismal priesthood and the priesthood of ordained ministers.

1133 The Holy Spirit prepares the faithful for the sacraments by the Word of God and the faith which welcomes that word in well-disposed hearts. Thus the sacraments strengthen faith and express it.

1134 The fruit of sacramental life is both personal and ecclesial. For every one of the faithful an the one hand, this fruit is life for God in Christ Jesus; for the Church, on the other, it is an increase in charity and in her mission of witness.

An anti -sacrament would be the opposite of this. What that is , you will have to figure. Tim
 
And he (or she) who does not define his (or her) terms does not get his (or her) point across.

I’m still waiting for something specific. I may even agree with you.
Sorry , had to do something. Tim
 
This is a tactic of certain persons to create a “fall” of christians and they believe to gain a higher in placing in the “mantle” by doing this.
What is the “mantle” and why would one want a higher place in it?
 
Occult–> “hidden”, “secret”, “esoteric”.
The Occult has to do with “hidden knowledge”, with “secret truths”, information supposedly available only to those “in the know”, and which allows to those who possess it, power over others or over the world around them.
Sounds like quantum physics.😉
 
So the United States possessed occult knowledge near the end of World War II that allowed them to split the atom and end the war.
Um, no. I should have specified “hidden knowledge”, with “secret truths” having to do with the supernatural, and allowing those “in the know” to manipulate or control supernatural powers. It has nothing to do with having superior weapons technology

EDIT: Though Ahimsa has a point. My first definition *does *sound a bit like quantum physics. 😃
 
I agree with the above quote 100%, though I still don’t see any connection with generalized occultism one way or the other. Any example of an “anti-sacrament” you can be sure I would be against, but I still don’t see how that reflects on a generalized body of philosophy, hidden or otherwise. Please be more specific. 🤷
I’m being elusive because I don’t want to stretch the bounds of my confessors advise. In my case, the anti-sacrament’s where two books. One , the necromonican and another about witchcraft. Also ouija and tarots were mentioned. These were confirmed anti-sacraments in persona christi. What is considered the occult will vary from person to person in the subjective and the Church , that I know of, doesn’t have a definitive “list” of what is considered occult, so I’ll leave it to whatever draws away from grace, in the context of pseudo-religious or supernatural practice’s. My main reason and concern of the thread is about an interveiw I heard a few years ago with a satanist and his tactics of recruitment. He bragged how the easiest targets where the religous in christian churches and how he frequented different churches through out the week. Posing as a christian he would start groups and introduce people to study different occult practice’s as a way of preventive identification. This would spark curiosity and lead to , what he called a “fall”. That was his prime objective. The reason, was his belief in a hierarchy of hell and his place in the “mantle” would be elevated as a result of a christians “fall”. I didn’t want to elaborate as to cause anymore curiosity then what it deserves, but wanted to warn others to look into anyone that suggest the same, being fair and unbiased, but cautious. Woe to those who know the inner workings of evil. I post this at the risk of sounding like a nutjob, but just use your head and stay away from the study of the occult. It serves no purpose Tim
 
Tsuzuki, Interesting my penance for that confession was to read, In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (John 1)
 
TOP, the Necronomicon doesn’t even exist. It is a fictional grimoire made up by H.P. Lovecraft.
 
TOP, the Necronomicon doesn’t even exist. It is a fictional grimoire made up by H.P. Lovecraft.
The simon necromonicon is considered by some to be a translation from the “mad arab” There are about 5 different necromonicons. Most are hoaxes. I have held one in my hands. I figured this would come up. I’m familar with what you are talking about though.

The line between fact and fiction was further blurred in the late 1970s when a book purporting to be a translation of the “real Necronomicon” was published. This book, by the pseudonymic “Simon”, had little connection to the fictional Lovecraft Mythos but instead was based on Sumerian mythology. It was later dubbed the “Simon Necronomicon”. Three additional volumes have since been published - The Necronomicon Spellbook, a book of pathworkings with the 50 names of Marduk, Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon, a history of the book itself and of the late 1970’s New York occult scene, and The Gates Of The Necronomicon, instructions on pathworking with the Simon Necronomicon.

Tim
 
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