Bi ritual religious order

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Also what if there aren’t if I wanted to be a bi ritual priest is it difficult to get falcuties.
 
The Eastern lung of the church was introduced to me by a Capuchin(†) who seemed to have no trouble obtaining faculties.
(I don’t think it was just a whim – I think he may have had family in both rites?)
 
I think the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter is bi-ritual now, having the faculties to celebrate both the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms of the Mass.

Summorum Pontificorum allowed any priest to celebrate the MEF.

Some years ago, the St Louis Pink Sisters had a chaplain who wore a grey cassock because he had the faculties to celebrate both Latin and Eastern Rite liturgies.

As I said on a previous thread on the Vocations forum, my own Congregation is bilingual – as in alternating between Latin and English. We also have a great love for the MEF, but a majority of our members can’t attend one. Since our chapels are to be the parish church, we take what’s given us.

However, I’m going to inquire of @nunsuch on the question.

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Mrs.Cloisters, I’m a historian, so not fully informed on what is happening now. I’m not sure what the color of cassock has to do with the form of the Mass. For example, gray is worn by some Franciscans who are strictly Ordinary Form, and White by both Ordinary and Extraordinary form congregations. I’m afraid I don’'t knnow about Holy Spirit nuns in St. Louis, either.

From what I know of the FSSPs, they almost always celebrate the Extraordinary Form. However, they do sometimes concelebrate Mass with other clergy (for example, at Chrism Masses) and when they do, they follow the form being celebrated–almost always the Ordinary Form. While some Traditionalists criticize them for this, the FSSPs have defended this practice, saying that it is reflective of their membership in and communion with the universal Church.
 
Yeah I think there must obviously be a need for it but my diocese has a melkite cathedral and a church and 2 ukranian churches in its terroritory. I assume that in order to gain bi ritual falcuties there must be a need for more byzantine priests in the area that you serve in.
 
I was talking about different rites the ef and the of are part of one Roman rite.
 
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I think the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter is bi-ritual now, having the faculties to celebrate both the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms of the Mass.
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“Bi-ritual” doesn’t refer to this; if it did, then per Summorum Pontificum, every Roman priest is “bi-ritual.” The term is actually a bit of a misnomer, since no one can belong to multiple ritual churches, but rather refers to a priest who has the faculty to offer the Eucharistic liturgy of a particular church other than his own. E.g. a Roman priest who has the faculty to offer the Maronite Liturgy.
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Some years ago, the St Louis Pink Sisters had a chaplain who wore a grey cassock because he had the faculties to celebrate both Latin and Eastern Rite liturgies.
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The color of the cassock doesn’t really have anything to do with that. It may have been a Byzantine priest who had the faculty to offer the Roman liturgy, as gray cassocks are not uncommon in the Byzantine tradition. There aren’t as many rules about the color of garb worn by secular clergy in the East, by and large. It might also have been a priest with faculties for offering the Liturgy of an Eastern Church, but who belonged to a Roman religious order that wears gray. But again, color of street clothes has nothing to do with one’s faculties for the Liturgy.

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As the Father said, I think Bi-rituals are really particular to certain priests, however, maybe you are more likely to encounter that with Religious Orders that work in Ecumenism with Eastern Christianity. The Agustinians of the Assumption are one such order that has historically been in that Apostolate.
 
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The Pink Sisters explained in their newsletter that the grey color of the cassock was reflective of the fact that he could celebrate both Eastern and Latin rites. I remember that distinctly. They had a pic of him. He was definitely wearing a grey cassock.
 
Due respect to the Sisters, but I’m going to guess that that was some kind of misunderstanding. Cassock color has nothing to do with what ritual faculties the wearer has. I know priests with faculties in other churches who don’t wear gray, and I know Eastern priests who wear the gray cassock who don’t have faculties outside their own Church.
 
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The Pink Sisters explained in their newsletter that the grey color of the cassock was reflective of the fact that he could celebrate both Eastern and Latin rites. I remember that distinctly. They had a pic of him. He was definitely wearing a grey cassock.
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The sisters most likely misunderstood.

This MIGHT be linked to a similar reason why sisters of the Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara (which is a bi-ritual order) has their Byzantine Rite sisters wearing black while their Roman Rite sisters wears grey & blue.

 
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Are there any religious orders that are specifically bi ritual.
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Religious Family of the Incarnate Word is bi-ritual, in a manner of speaking (though, no order is truly bi-ritual, they only have bi-ritual members or members from multiple rites).

First Order: Institute of the Incarnate Word (https://ive.org/institute-incarnate-word).
  • They have priests from both the East and West, with different Rites. So individual priests of that order might be Latin Rite, Byzantine Rite, etc. They might be bi-ritual or only celebrate one rite.
2nd Order: Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matara (Our Habit - Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matará)
  • The sisters themselves are not Bi-Ritual. But the order accepts sisters from both Latin and Byzantine Churches, and there are two different habits depending on which rite they are from.
 
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To my knowledge, there are no bi-ritual communities.

That being said, I’ve seen Franciscan-Byzantine and Carmelite-Byzantine communities. These are communities of the Franciscan and Carmelite orders, but within the Byzantine tradition, not with bi-ritual faculties.

The idea of religious “orders,” however, is not really an Eastern thing. Our monastic communities typically follow some variation of either the Rule of St. Basil, or the Rule of St. Anthony the Great depending on whether the community is part of the Byzantine tradition or one of the “Oriental” traditions (i.e. Maronites, Coptics, Syriac, etc.).

Whether or not bi-ritual faculties are easily obtained…? I’ve known several Roman priests with bi-ritual faculties, but I have no clue what hoops they had to jump through in order to obtain them.
 
They’re not bi-ritual… although some of their members have had bi-ritual faculties. Fr. Jean Corbon, for example - who drafted the section of the Catechism on prayer - had bi-ritual faculties in the Melkite tradition.
 
The “😏” was meant to indicate that I was being facetious. But, Dominicans do have their own rite which they do still celebrate at least occasionally.
 
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The Pink Sisters explained in their newsletter that the grey color of the cassock was reflective of the fact that he could celebrate both Eastern and Latin rites. I remember that distinctly. They had a pic of him. He was definitely wearing a grey cassock.
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Curious. Maybe it’s a local custom? There is a bi-ritual priest at my parish who only ever wears black like all the other priests. He is Eastern, but fills in for our (Latin) priests from time to time.
 
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