Bi ritual religious order

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Alexandria2020 said:
I’ve met a priest at a Novus Ordo Latin Church who is from India. He was of the Carmelites of Mary Immaculate (C.M.I.) order of the Syro-Malabar Church. So he’s a Syro-Malabar priest who is bi-ritual as a Latin priest.
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I’ve been told the CMI order, although it has mainly Syro-Malabar priests, it also includes Latin and Malankara Catholic (West Syriac Rite) priests.

The Malankara Catholic priests in the CMI order are tri-ritual. They have faculties in Malankara, Latin and Syro-Malabar rites.
 
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Alexandria2020 said:
The Malankara Catholic priests in the CMI order are tri-ritual. They have faculties in Malankara, Latin and Syro-Malabar rites.
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But is that a requirement or is it simply that many of their priest are bi/tri-ritual?
 
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CMI in general, is a Syro Malabar order although there are Latin and Syro Malankara members. The Congegration mixes Carmelite Spirituality with East Syriac Spirituality. For nuns, the CMC was for the Syro Malabar branch and the CTC for the latin branch of nuns. The Syro Malankara Church has the Bethany Sister and the Order of Immitation for both priests and nun.
 
Elvis_George said:
CMI in general, is a Syro Malabar order although there are Latin and Syro Malankara members. The Congegration mixes Carmelite Spirituality with East Syriac Spirituality. For nuns, the CMC was for the Syro Malabar branch and the CTC for the latin branch of nuns. The Syro Malankara Church has the Bethany Sister and the Order of Immitation for both priests and nun.
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many of their priests that are outside India, work in various Latin dioceses in Europe, US, and Latin America. Many of those priests are like 99% Latin priests (Ordinary form).
 
I see that Bishop Milan Lach of the Byzantine Church is a Jesuit. How does that work? Very interesting.
 
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There are many EC jesuits.

Some start that way, while others start as RC and are ordained EC for needed ministries.

My daughter and her husband are in his Eparchy now, and think very highly of him.

I want to say that on becoming a bishop, one leaves his order, but I really can’t come up with a citation one way or another.

And on that topic . . .

A Franciscan and a Dominican found them in a heated argument as to the relative merits of their orders. They finally agreed to put the issue to God, and left a note in the tabernacle.
Dear Lord, which order is greater?
Father Pinguino, OP
Father Frank, OFM
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They eagerly came back in the morning, and found a Reply:
All orders are equal.
God, SJ
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:crazy_face: 😱 🤣
 
dochawk said:
I want to say that on becoming a bishop, one leaves his order, but I really can’t come up with a citation one way or another.
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Major Archbishop Ján Babjak of Slovak Greek Catholic Church still has SJ in his name and is also referred to as such… it may just be indication that he was part of the Order, but I think that it probably means that he somehow belongs to it still.
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And on that topic . . .
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🤣 🤣
 
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As this article says, Jesuits have the rule to not aspire to Prelate’s offices, so they nominally aren’t Jesuit anymore (in a canonical sense) when they do so.
dochawk said:
Dear Lord, which order is greater?
Father Pinguino, OP
Father Frank, OFM
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The fact that the Dominican is called Pinguino and the Franciscan Frank makes the joke even better 🤣
 
By canon law, no. But obviously the Charism and his formation by the Order remain.
 
dochawk said:
I want to say that on becoming a bishop, one leaves his order, but I really can’t come up with a citation one way or another.
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When a Religious priest is notified he is becoming a bishop, The Pope dissolves/dispenses his previous vows, particularly clarifying his vow of obedience is now to the Supreme Pontiff, and no longer to his superior.
Some bishops still like the association, habit, and charism of their Order; but their obedience is now to the Pope and not an abbot, Superior General, etc.
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Daniel Buechlein returned to his abbey after retiring from his arch-episcopacy, Sean Cardinal O’Malley still wears his Capuchin habit whenever he can. Both would say they remained a Benedictine and Capuchin (at heart); but technically they are no longer bound by the vows of their Orders.

There are quite a number of Jesuits who happen to come from Ruthenian and Ukrainian areas of the Old Country, by the way. Salesians are also commonly found in those areas, too, and a number have been ordained Eparchs.

Our late great Pope St. John Paul II had a preference/habit of picking bishops from Religious Orders.

Deacon Christopher
 
Diaconia said:
Daniel Buechlein returned to his abbey after retiring from his arch-episcopacy, Sean Cardinal O’Malley still wears his Capuchin habit whenever he can. Both would say they remained a Benedictine and Capuchin (at heart); but technically they are no longer bound by the vows of their Orders.
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Indeed, Archbishop Daniel always signed his name with his post nominal “OSB” and desired/had the Benedictine funeral and burial at his monastery. You could tell that (at least for him), he never stopped being Benedictine.
 
Diaconia said:
Both would say they remained a Benedictine and Capuchin (at heart); but technically they are no longer bound by the vows of their Orders.
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In all cases I can think of where a Religious bishop retired from episcopal ministry, he returned to his religious community. I don’t know what canon law says about it, but I’ve always kind of viewed it as the Bishop being “on loan” to the pope/diocese while serving in his Episcopal ministry.
 
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